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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:26

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:25

What if they don't know their chromosomal and genital sexes are different? This is what we are talking about. Someone who doesn't know they are intersex.

And what's this BS about most PEOPLE in the west get sequenced nowadays it's not hard or expensive ? I don't know anyone who's been 'sequenced'.

Every single person with a DSD finds out by puberty and typically way before.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:26

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 20:00

No men in the ladies, get it?

why do you want males in female toilets?

Why do you want teenage girls made to use mens toilets?

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:26

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:26

Why do you want teenage girls made to use mens toilets?

I want males to use male toilets.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:28

WillIEverBeOk · 06/02/2025 20:52

Lets be honest here; they know when they don't go through the puberty that matches their sex. In their teenage years their parents would then take them to the doctors. They'd have tests to determine why they haven't yet gone through puberty (or the right puberty they'd go through).

They'd know before they're adults.

Imagine how horrible they would feel and what trauma they'd go through.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:29

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:26

I want males to use male toilets.

And the teenage girl who has just been told her karyotype is XY?
Which toilet should she be using?

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:29

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:26

Every single person with a DSD finds out by puberty and typically way before.

Source?

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:30

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:28

Imagine how horrible they would feel and what trauma they'd go through.

yes terrible and awful.

Still does not give them access to toilets for a different sex

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:32

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:29

And the teenage girl who has just been told her karyotype is XY?
Which toilet should she be using?

Conditions like Complete AIS (CAIS) mean "her" body does not respond to testosterone, so "she" develops with a female appearance but has undescended or internal testes instead of ovaries. "She" would not have a uterus and would not menstruate.

"she" - is male.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:36

LastTrainsEast · 06/02/2025 21:28

You're conflating a DSD with trans which means you probably don't know anyone in that position.

You have to understand that we've all seen this play out before.

A long description of someone supposedly stuck in a difficult position to elicit sympathy and then..

'which proves any man should be allowed to go into a women's changing room and 'moisturise his penis' while watching a little girl undressing'

The 'friend' if real might need therapy to help them adjust. but we don't need to change the entire country and remove all women's rights to fit in with him.

Happy to have women-only spaces (eg public toilets). Keep the men out.
But what about the girl who has always been a girl and has just found out she has XY chromosomes.

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:37

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:36

Happy to have women-only spaces (eg public toilets). Keep the men out.
But what about the girl who has always been a girl and has just found out she has XY chromosomes.

He is still a he regardless of when he found out. There are no exceptions. None. He is a he.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:42

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:26

Every single person with a DSD finds out by puberty and typically way before.

You don't know much.

People might discover they have intersex traits at puberty or in adulthood, sometimes as a result of medical testing for infertility. In rare instances, such differences are found in autopsies, after people have died.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-intersex

What Is Intersex?

Intersex people are born with genitals, chromosomes, or internal reproductive organs that don't fit typical male or female patterns and may not match their sex assigned at birth. Find out more.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-intersex

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:44

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:42

You don't know much.

People might discover they have intersex traits at puberty or in adulthood, sometimes as a result of medical testing for infertility. In rare instances, such differences are found in autopsies, after people have died.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-intersex

Quoting WebMD is even more embarrassing than quoting Wikipedia.

No males in female spaces. never.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:44

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:37

He is still a he regardless of when he found out. There are no exceptions. None. He is a he.

Yeah so send the young woman into a men's room. Do you think the men will see her as a man?

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:45

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:44

Quoting WebMD is even more embarrassing than quoting Wikipedia.

No males in female spaces. never.

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What is your karyotype? When were you sequenced?

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:45

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:44

Quoting WebMD is even more embarrassing than quoting Wikipedia.

No males in female spaces. never.

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Also I want to see your documentation. Because you sound like you are projecting.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:48

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:24

There is no such thing as intersex. all people with a DSD, as it is properly known are either male or female. always.

There most definitely is Intersex, it is a biological phenomenon which has been documented in mammals including dogs, bears, horses, kangaroos and humans.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:49

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 22:32

Conditions like Complete AIS (CAIS) mean "her" body does not respond to testosterone, so "she" develops with a female appearance but has undescended or internal testes instead of ovaries. "She" would not have a uterus and would not menstruate.

"she" - is male.

She would not have a penis or testicles.

MeTooOverHere · 06/02/2025 22:50

SernieBanders · 06/02/2025 21:30

It’s not anti trans to say there are only males and females. And they don’t change.

Not talking trans. Talking Intersex.

PurpleAxe · 07/02/2025 04:51

towelsandsheets · 06/02/2025 13:25

You think Hamas wanted so many dead? I think you are delusional .

Of course they did.

Either that or they are even stupider bastards then I give them credit for.

A quick Google of history, a read of a couple of books would have given them a hint of what Israel's reaction to October 7th was going to be.

It doesn't matter whether you think Hamas/Israel is right or justified or any of that. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you cross the border into your technologically advanced neighbours' (who you have an uneasy truce with) territory and proceed to rape and kill a bunch of their citizens they are going to respond with extreme force.

Hamas are either stupid pricks who got their people killed through arrogance and hatred or evil fucks who deliberately sacrificed thousands so they could whine.

Israel is a bully who is defending what it thinks is its territory and now it has reduced Gaza to rubble, and will probably take the lot.

And what exactly is the world going to do about it? Pass some more resolutions? Issue some warrants? Sanctions? Not with the US on their side. You are all spitting chips about Trump at the moment but they are still the dominant power. Fuck all, that is what the world is going to do about it.

They are going to bluster and make noises. Look at Ukraine. What has anyone actually done? Fuck all. Europe combined could stop Russia. Hasn't though has it? So you sacrifice those civilians to keep yours safe.

Because, quite rightly no-one wants to actually hit the real buttons. So Israel will probably finish off Gaza WHEN the ceasefire breaks, take the lot, and the Middle East will stay the clusterfuck it has always been.

We sit in the West and pretend that we care. But we don't, not really. We don't want to DO anything. Just moralise and tell the people in the trenches what they are doing wrong and how they should be doing things.

None of it matters anyway. Humans will always find a reason to hate and fight each other. These excuses are just the most recent.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 07/02/2025 06:31

SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 10:29

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's the least bad option for everyone?

Quite.
You just know it’s not going to be long till Hamas starts again and Israel will flatten everything that hasn’t been flattened. Next time though there won’t be so few civilian casualties.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 07/02/2025 06:50

AnonymousBleep · 05/02/2025 14:12

So hang on, you think Palestinians should be evicted from their land by the USA BUT you don't believe in foreign aid so don't think the USA is liable for any reparations to them for that?

What you'd expect of a Trump fanboy/girl I suppose.

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Oh you’re really bitter and twisted when you can’t get your own way, when you are actually arguing with someone who lives in America who is positively affected by what is happening over there.
I’d calm my bitterness if I was you, it’s not good for the health.😂

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 07/02/2025 07:02

towelsandsheets · 06/02/2025 13:25

You think Hamas wanted so many dead? I think you are delusional .

I don’t think they cared.Thats why they used them as a human shield.

SallyWD · 07/02/2025 07:02

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 07/02/2025 06:50

Oh you’re really bitter and twisted when you can’t get your own way, when you are actually arguing with someone who lives in America who is positively affected by what is happening over there.
I’d calm my bitterness if I was you, it’s not good for the health.😂

But Ringojuice doesn't live in America. They've said before that they're American but live in the UK.

WillIEverBeOk · 07/02/2025 07:28

justteanbiscuits · 06/02/2025 21:28

Try reading the anecdote you care so little about. Where I mentioned my friend has teenager daughters. Where I mentioned she had given birth.

But. You don't care about her and the damage done to her by vocal anti trans c*nts

If your friend has given birth and is a female then she's a woman.

Calling women 'cnts' is a vile and misogynistic habit I have noticed that anti-women/TRAs have. It just proves* the movement is rooted in misogyny and hatred of women.

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