To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

Yes. Because they are MALE. How hard is it to understand?

Men in the mens

Ladies in the ladies

So, every single person should go through genetic / chromosomal testing as a baby then?

Anyway. This thread is yet another chance for this discussion. My closest friends, who are women in the US are losing their livelihoods and access to medical care. I care about them a lot more.

Yes I care about all women as well - thats why I don't want men in the toilets of women.

Everyone with a DSD has genetic testing. They all know.

Also most PEOPLE in the west get sequenced nowadays it's not hard or expensive

So an 8 year old has had testing for DSD? You are VERY naïve - or just outright making that fact up. Many don't find out until later teens when they has passed the age for periods to start. Can you imagine how utterly horrible it would be for them to no longer be able to go in the toilets with their friends like they have always done? To no longer be able to use changing rooms?

If you support Trump over this one issue, you very very clearly don't care about all women.

I support Trump on all the things I support him on, I decide on the qualities of the policy, not the person.

It's simple males in the mens, females in the ladies

get it?

Just grab em by the pussy. Get it?

No men in the ladies, get it?

why do you want males in female toilets?

Because if someone doesn't know they're chromosomally male till they're 18, they're going to be going through enough. And forcing them into male toilets is utterly cruel and awful. Because life isn't black and white. And the hideousness of the anti trans movement has them attacking "real women" who don't meet their exacting standards of femininity. But sure, they care about all women. You said you didn't care about my friend or, obviously, her daughters. Just admit you only care about some women. Certainly not those attacked by trump. Or my friend losing her job because of trump. Just some women.

Lets be honest here; they know when they don't go through the puberty that matches their sex. In their teenage years their parents would then take them to the doctors. They'd have tests to determine why they haven't yet gone through puberty (or the right puberty they'd go through).

They'd know before they're adults.

Sex IS black and white whatever you think.

nobody is being “anti trans”

i don’t care about either of your made up anecdotes.

no males in female spaces - ever, under any circumstances. Certainly not because a male has bad feels.

that how we go in this mess. People like you failing to think things through.

Because if someone doesn't know they're chromosomally male till they're 18, they're going to be going through enough. And forcing them into male toilets is utterly cruel and awful.

That's not something women should suffer for. Its not our fault.

You're gaslighting. On the rare occasions women are double-checked in the toilets, you forget what drove us to that. Males in our spaces. So of course we'll be on high alert. Now, you blame us for our justified reaction to possible males and being on high alert. Which we wouldn't have been, if males hadn't started infiltrating our most intimate spaces and posting videos of them masturbating in the ladies. So place the blame solely where it belongs; on males and your anti-women MRA movement entering the hen house.

So. You don't care about all women. Only those that meet your standards. Thanks for confirming.

Women are females. She advocates for females only. Hence, women.

You are talking about men.

You're conflating a DSD with trans which means you probably don't know anyone in that position.

You have to understand that we've all seen this play out before.

A long description of someone supposedly stuck in a difficult position to elicit sympathy and then..

'which proves any man should be allowed to go into a women's changing room and 'moisturise his penis' while watching a little girl undressing'

The 'friend' if real might need therapy to help them adjust. but we don't need to change the entire country and remove all women's rights to fit in with him.

Try reading the anecdote you care so little about. Where I mentioned my friend has teenager daughters. Where I mentioned she had given birth.

But. You don't care about her and the damage done to her by vocal anti trans c*nts

If you can't read and start making up what I have said then sorry, there it no point talking to you. In future READ what I have said rather than just make things up.

It’s not anti trans to say there are only males and females. And they don’t change.

My Q was about Intersex. Don't go changing the goalpost.

So you want someone who has been raised a girl and thinks they are a girl to suddenly start using men's bathrooms? Seriously? That is what you want?
And stop referring to sports, this isn't about sports, this is about her normal daily life.

Then you wonder why they suicide. If I were 15 and suddenly told I had to be a man henceforth, I'd be suicidal.

There is no such thing as intersex. all people with a DSD, as it is properly known are either male or female. always.

What if they don't know their chromosomal and genital sexes are different? This is what we are talking about. Someone who doesn't know they are intersex.

And what's this BS about most PEOPLE in the west get sequenced nowadays it's not hard or expensive ? I don't know anyone who's been 'sequenced'.

Yes. because no male should ever be in a females private space. not sports. not bathrooms, not gyms. no where.

But they aren't killing themselves are they? Thank god.