To use the men's toilets when the ladies is busy

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A poster on another thread suggests this is unreasonably but I don't see why.

The reason we take longer?

Number Ones involve WAY more admin for women.

Number Twos - pretty much the same!

Number Threes - faffing about with pads, tampons, cups, wipes, checking no traces, dealing with pregnancy, menopause, Tena Lady stuff, bla bla bla.

And then there's Number Fours - women are still way more likely to have to care for others' needs in there. Baby change, awkward toddlers, potties, nappies, disabled children, partner, parent.

We just don't get the quickie whip it out, empty it out and shake it out in public privilege thing.

So it takes longer.

It kind of diminishes the argument that women need safe female only bathrooms to be protected from men if some women just strut into the “vipers nest” and thereby demonstrate protection from men is not necessary.

Depends where it is and what is the set up of the bathroom.

In my office where we had 22 women and 1 man. We used the men's toilet equally (all bathrooms private). I think that is fine. Going to a men's bathroom with urinals and 6 stalls in the cinema? Nope. Private bathrooms in a public space? If you're desperate OR the event is genuinly 95% women. Went to a women's day event and i thought it was ok to use mens bathroom cause there were like 3 men there.

Why don't you have the right to pee in an empty room with a floor to ceiling door?

Are you genuine OP, or is this a stealth attempt at justifying men using women’s toilets?

this comment “Why don't you have the right to pee in an empty room with a floor to ceiling door?” sounds exactly like the kind of sentence a TRA would use to justify men using women’s toilets.

Self ID and walk right in!

Completely unreasonable in a bathroom with urinals.
Potentially okay in one with closed stalls only if it’s actual emergency.

But if you are worried about men raping or abusing women why the hell would you want to go in to a spare occupied by men? Isn't there a risk you could be raped if you decide to use men's toilets?

I think sex segregation of an empty room is absurd. Cubicled rooms a bit different (although I'd still chance it in a pinch).

Why do Number Twos take more admin?

Men don’t just need to feel threatened tk have the right of privacy. Most don’t, you’re right, but the need for privacy, avoiding embarrassment, is perfectly sufficient for them to expect no women in the mens toilets.

I was part of a posse of women who once invaded the men's loos at a London Theatre. The loo provision was ridiculous, the men had all got back to their seats and we were standing in a huge queue while the bell was going for end of interval. There was an exchange of looks and we just used the loos for men.

A confident woman just went in and the massive queue of women split up and used both sides. We told any men that they could use the other theatre toilets where there were of course NO QUEUES.

how rude.

I wish I was a man and would have made a point of using MENS toilets there and then.

It's total hypocrisy to fight for a womans right to safe spaces, then suddenly decide you can't be bothered to wait in the queue for the ladies (unless completely desperate and absolutely no other option at all) and barge in to their toilets!
There would be hell to pay if a man marched into a ladies toilet, because he couldn't be bothered waiting in a queue, don't you think?!
Very much double standards here!
I don't even agree with unisex toilets.

Interesting that you’re pro trans women using the women’s toilets then. Or is that different?

I sometimes pop into the men’s but I also have no issue with men using women’s toilets either. If there is a long queue in one and not the other it’s daft to stand around waiting.

but I would also make more toilets unisex, especially the ones in individual rooms

Because it has been assigned to be used just by men.
In the same way I wouldn't set up my laptop in the CEO's office just because they happened to be on leave, or eat my sandwich in the empty operating theatre.

We live in a society where we don't have the right to wander freely wherever we want. I respect that.

I think she means the same for men and women, not the same a Number Ones

In exactly the same way the description of men "invading" women's toilets was used in trans thread - they don't belong there.

Would you be happy if a man used the ladies on this basis?

Can you give any instance where the gents is queued out the door but the ladies is free?

I think it's unreasonable personally.

I don't believe it's any more acceptable than men using the women's. Men and boys deserve privacy and dignity when using the toilet too.

My son would feel mortified if a woman walked in when he was using the urinal.

Ok I think that's weirdly obedient

All sorts of signs exist so what

Yes, yes they do, ignoring them seems childishly rebellious.

Why don't you allow men their privacy in their bathroom?

If females can go into men's toilets then basically you have toilets for females, and then a communal one. Men deserve privacy when they're weeing!

EDIT: I used a man's toilet in a restaurant once, but it wasn't like a set of toilets, they were 6 separate doors off the main corridor, 3 women 3 men.

Do you apply the same logic to speed limit signs and other road signs? That it’s weirdly obedient to take note of them and adhere to their meaning?