To use the men's toilets when the ladies is busy

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A poster on another thread suggests this is unreasonably but I don't see why.

The arguments are not the same at all.

Men do not feel vulnerable around women, they may feel invaded and embarrassed, but they don't fear violence and rape.

Thanks for that one @taxguru . I'll let my girls wander home at 0200 through the area of London we live in, because "the vast majority" won't harm her
You are totally contradicting yourself!

On one hand, you don't think your dds are safe because you accept the potential risk even if it is low.

However, men should get on with it because the risk of harm from women in a male toilet is low.

There is no need for a woman to come in a male toilet, so even if the risk of abuse is very low (abuse could be mocking, laughing etc..., doesn't have to be physical), there is no good reason to allow it.

Exactly.

Studies show that women spend 25% longer in the toilet than men, this is know and yet not factored in.

I will use male loos when their is an obviously problematic difference e.g a queue 8 long outside the female toilet and not a body at the mens. I did so whilst in France this Xmas and so did many french women too.

I think men would feel vulnerable but agree not about the same things. But privacy, dignity and removing embarrassment are sufficient grounds for women to stay out of men's toilets.

I’ve done it and seen it done in theatres and other events that are filled with women. Would only do it if the men’s was actually empty and post someone outside as a warning.
Did it last weekend. A confident woman just went in and the massive queue of women split up and used both sides. We told any men that they could use the other theatre toilets where there were of course NO QUEUES. If facilities can’t look after women and give us enough loos to go in time in an intermission in a concert and get back for the second half then I will carry on doing this.

I do it all the time and will continue to do so.

Some absolutely do. The statistics show the balance is towards the females feeling more vulnerable however the statistics also indicate a male is much less likely to report violence and sexual assault. Therefore there is no way of knowing the percentage of men who would find a female in their personal space intimidating

But men stand beside each other and manage to get out a penis and urinate. As a woman I can walk passed a turned back and not see a damn thing.

Men are raped BY OTHER MEN not by women, well not female born women at least.

Bullshit. Open your mind. Violence towards men happens way more often than thought or admitted.

In a domestic setting, yes men suffer violence. Men do not get beaten up by women in the toilets. They won't get raped by a woman, in the toilets.

Women are rarely sexual predators.

Get a grip

There is definitely a difference in the level of threat men and women feel. People saying that man don't feel threatened by women in the same way women feel about men are just muddying the water. It's not about threats.

This is about privacy and dignity. Men should be allowed this, the same as women.

If you're a woman happy to use the men's does this mean you don't think men are worthy of privacy and dignity? Or that your need to not queue trumps it?

Wouldn't even consider it!

It's not about whether they'll do it there and then. It's about men feeling vulnerable in a private space at a private time BECAUSE of what they may have been through in a domestic or work based setting.
If a woman had been raped at home then said she felt uncomfortable with a male in the female toilets because of this, you would be all ears. A man can feel exactly the same way

So you think men don’t deserve privacy on principle, because women do not pose a threat to them?

There are two reasons for single-sex space places though, privacy and risk. Men have far less of the latter but just as much right to the former.

Absolutely would not do this. Disgusting vile and putting my safety at risk. Whenever I’ve seen a female do this it’s always the ones who crave attention 24/7.

So I send my 8 year old son into the men’s to protect women and girls dignity and privacy, rightly so. However, his dignity and privacy mean nothing when a woman needs the toilet and there’s a queue.

I can accept that for a NT, grown man they don’t feel threatened by a woman in the male toilets however for varying reasons there are plenty of other male users of the toilet who may feel vulnerable/unsettled or threatened by a woman in the toilets.

We cannot insist on single sex spaces for us and fight so hard and so relentlessly and then turn around and use the men’s because we don’t want to queue. We undermine our argument and feed into the “silly women” narrative.

Violence towards men is overwhelmingly committed by men.

Totally unfair and hypocritical to think it's okay for women to use men's toilets but men can't use women's. Men are entitled to privacy the same as women are.

I'm curious to know what the hell women do in a toilet cubicle, why do they take so long? I'm in pee out wash hands.
I was in another country (not uk) the queue for the ladies was ridiculously long, the men's was non existent. I have bladder issues so when I need to go, I need to go. The gents was empty, partner checked for me and in I went.
When I was coming out the cubicle a young man came in, oh the look of horror on his face.
I felt so bad.
Women, hurry up in the bloody toilet especially if you know there is a queue.
Ps
Can anyone enlighten me as to what you all do in toilet (apart from the obvious)

Re queues. You can’t fit as many cubicles into a space as you can urinals. Also men have less adjusting of clothing to do following use of the urinal.

Men also have rights. To dignity, privacy. Same as we do.

My (older chap) partner was mortified once at the urinals when he saw a young teen girl in there, who could see him cock in hand.

If you bulldoze their rights, it makes it more normalised for them to bulldoze yours. And my nieces. And Mum's. And mine.

Do you mean a man/woman toilet or just a man one?
The latter I wouldn't go into (unless it was an emergency) because I don't have a right to, the former I would much prefer not to as IME they stink & there is piss on the seat and the floor. I'll wait for a female only one to become free.

This. I don't know why anyone would want to use opposite sex toilets. It's invading the opposite sex space, and just not acceptable.