Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

Curious about those who voted YABU. Everything you’ve written seems perfectly sensible to me. I am so bored of Trump alarmism at this point. It’s like people forget we were all sentient between 2016-2020 and can remember the world didn’t collapse into fascism and anarchy.

You forgot to add shameless cronyism and major tax cuts for the big corporations and very wealthy to your list of what Trump stand for.

Oh, and the general tendency to strip women of all their rights over their own body.

But, yeah, can totally see why you’d want that for your country 🤨

Are you forgetting the riots in Charlottesville when somebody was killed by white nationalists and trump wouldn't condemn them.

Or the fact the guy tried to stop a democratically elected president from being certified. Started an insurrection. That guy?

What he really stands for is making incredibly rich men even richer. He doesn't care about any of the above he will say anything to get in power. He is a populist who only cares about his own wealth, status and power.
If saying the absolute opposite to the above had won him vote he would have done it.

Well mostly I don’t want to live in a country with a ‘me first and screw everyone else’ attitude, where people lack compassion and an understanding that different people have different experiences, needs and wants.

i don’t want to live somewhere where people on the edges of society are pushed further away due to poverty, illness or previewed difference.

i don’t want to live in a country that does n’t value science, that ignores things that will affect our planet for years to come and may, at some point, become irreversible, only because to do so makes me richer in the short term.

i don’t want to live in a country where wealthy people get given unreasonable power.

It’s quite mad to me that out of everything he’s said and done since 2016, these are the points that you think he stands for.

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

I would love to see the research you’ve done to support this point?

But what actually does he stand for?

He says so much contradictory stuff, that actually it’s hard to know.

It also isn’t possible to separate politics from the non-delivery of promises.

Interesting to see that those espousing far right policies object so strongly to the term.

It blows my mind that someone is up before 7am with this on their mind? Go get a cup of tea and chill out.

I forgot to add that he also stands for division, and increasing racial hatred, reducing women's rights (he is a rapist you really want someone like that in charge of our country), has created massive wealth for the richest people in his country on not doing anything for the poorest, comes out with bollocks such as injecting bleach will stop covid, incited a riot that led to the death of two people and hugely damaged faith in democracy, has made the world more dangerous place by supporting and allowing dictators like Putin to have more power. That's off the top of my head there's definitely a lot more.

Yeah and of course the Hunter Biden thing was all Russian disinformation!

I was not a fan of Trump first time round but can completely understand why so many pp have voted for him this time. America is in a mess. The Democrats don't have any answers to the many problems it's facing, and many great cities like San Francisco are falling apart. Americans want hope and change and see in Trump someone who can deliver that. Whether he can or not remains to be seen...

Urgh I started to type a reply but can't be bothered. I can't believe we have another 4 years of this 😫 YABU op.

We do have our own version of Trump. Nigel Farage. And I hope to god no one is stupid enough to fall for his 'man of the people' populist rubbish and vote him in.

He can't. Unless of course you are a very rich person, then you're likely to become even richer.

Unfortunately we already know plenty of people are that stupid!

Putting aside Trump's personality and bluster is a mistake. They are an intrinsic part of the package designed to filter out the attention of anyone with intelligence and insight as a deliberate strategy.

It's like the obvious mistakes in spelling and grammar in a scam email that is trying to dupe you into financial ruin. They are there deliberately because that means the scammers know that anyone who engages with the too-good-to-be-true offer of a rich reward will by definition be a bit thick.

In the same way, Trump's message is obscured within a package that will be so offputting to genuinely intelligent people that they won't engage with the offer in the same way as they would in the context of intelligent debate. Sadly in the USA there's enough people who fall for the bluster.

Trump's policies are not common sense and will not achieve good outcomes. Good policies are based on evidence and rational thought and when those are rejected in favour of hyperbole and populism it's unrealistic to call that "common sense"

I just hope he manages to roll back the madness of transgender ideology which has caused so much harm. If he can get violent men out of women's prisons, half puberty blockers and ' gender affirming surgery ' on young people, and stop men competing in women's sports then he will have done something really useful, which actually benefits women worldwide.

I see the term far right or fascist used a lot but I have no idea on how people are defining it.

I mean one person's "right wing " could be another person's extreme right wing and equally someone's far right could be another person's right wing.

And what's the difference between that and fascism

I think the terms are casually thrown around so much as to become meaningless.

He's a sales guy; he knows how to pitch popular ideas like "saving" TikTok and releasing JFK papers. Like jazz hands, he can keep a fair chunk of people focused on those things while he fiddles away in the background, making his rich mates even richer. The scary thing this time is how companies, especially tech, are lining up beside him. The 200 executive orders on Day 1 says it all, most of them are click-bait but it positions him as the go-getter. If/when he fails on bigger stuff, he's still got some wins (regardless of whether they are important or not) to protect himself and blame others.

OP
Maybe read this article from beginning to end. It explains fully why the incoming Trump administration is absolutely terrifying
Look at Argentina, mentioned in the article

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/19/donald-trump-elon-musk-class-war-uk-us-oligarchies-democracy

A lot of sensible people served under Trump last time who won’t be this time. I think they were terrified to leave because of what he might do if he wasn’t surrounded by people who were strong enough to stand up to him.

The only qualification you’ll need this time is loyalty to Trump.

The trouble with him is he’s so unpredictable and no one knows what he’ll do day-to-day.

That said he didn’t declare war on another country last time and America’s economy was booming during his last term.

Alarmism is a fair point tho, so many nonsense newspaper articles about what he “might” do. No evidence he’s planning to do the things written about, it’s just easy, lazy journalism.

Whether you’re a fan or not he got elected. Twice. And for the next 4 years (and beyond if he has anything to say about it I’m sure) he’s in charge. We’ll need to wait and see what happens.

The immigration debate is startling to me because of the lack of empathy. I know we (and America) can’t take everyone in who needs help but the attitude of “their problem, just send them home” with no thought as to what they’ll face at home is pretty shocking to me.

But I also think this attitude has come from decades of governments (from both U.K. main parties) saying they’ll reduce immigration but letting it increase, leaving people feeling they have no choice but to vote for more extremist parties if they want something done about it.

I understand and agree with the points in your post OP. It's a shame that the only people/parties who are interested in reversing the harm of extreme left wing ideology are extremely right wing ones.

If a centrist party put women's sex-based rights, solving illegal immigration, dealing with rape gangs from different countries/cultures and just looking after people in their own country as they were voted in to do - I would vote for them. If I was American I would have voted Trump this time.

I don't like many of the right's policies but the left and centre are too dangerous for women. Political correctness then wokism have become monsters and need stopped as they have stopped us from discussing issues that need debate. I see right wing politics becoming popular as a result. I can see where it's going, history tells us. Extremes of left and right are bad. I agree common sense is needed.