Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

I was more thinking Italy, France and probably Germany soon, as well as the US.

I think Trump genuinely does want the best for America and wants America to be great again but he goes about things the wrong way and doesn't use diplomatic language.

He needs to think before he speaks . I do think the two assassination attempts in his life have mellowed him a little .

This site amazes me. I recognise posters who are rightly so in arms about women's rights and safety in other threads but here are supporting a man who has openly bragged about demeaning women and is a rapist.

Sunak is definitely not 'right wing', he's a conservative thinker but he's not far right. He's nothing like what we are seeing across Europe.

What about Jenrick? And Braverman?

There are some aspects of your post that do resonate, OP. But Trump overlooks the human element in every situation. So you say illegal immigration is bad, for example - but what about the desperate humans escaping poverty or fear? Or living on benefits - again, sometimes people abuse the system but what about the people who really need it? Trump demonstrates no humanity or understanding that there are people in different circumstances to him, and self interest rules. That makes him extremely scary.

You’re brave OP! MN is full of angry wokeys and you will be brandished a racist etc for caring about your own country going down the swanney.

I voted that it is not unreasonable, however I do think Climate Change is real and needs addressing A.S.A.P..

We need many left wing policies to disappear or lighten up - not to go hard right wing but common sense is disappearing.

Trump and his cronies are regressive paternalistic thugs who will do anything to keep the flow of wealth transfer to the already rich flowing without impediment or oversight.

That's what politics in the West has become and most leaders will scrabble to get him to allow them to get a slice of the pie with trade deals and policies that fall in line with his.

Is it a coincidence that Keir Starmer recently announced his plans to make the UK a world leader in AI? It's because tech bros and corporations are the main source of wealth creation, and the speed and exponential rise in tech "advances" are the quickest way to make money, and the US is on thrall to them

Hang the effect on people at the bottom of the pile and the environment. Progress in these areas can have positive effects, however it's not the prime objective of those steering it all. There are terrifying ideologies behind this pioneering, alot of which will disadvantage women hugely. Pronatalism is a big one, plus religious fundamentalism, and a growing culture of dog eat dog if you want to survive.

It is delusional to think that Trump gives a shit about anything else apart from his ego, domination and wealth creation for a select few.

Le Pen and Meloni are less right wing than Reform or the Tory party, they want to stay in the EU, want lower retirement age, better social provision, more state spending and stay in NATO.

Trying to control illegal migration is right wing in what way?

AfD are a mish mash of far right and nazi's plus they are polling just 20% & will never come to power.

There is an increasing trend to do so. The US will make the few who haven’t bend to make sure they don’t get trampled over

I agree with you on those two.

This is why working class people vote for Trump. Who did those jobs before the illegal immigrants were doing them? Working class Americans. Illegal immigration drives down wages (as the incomers are willing to work for so little). So the money is taken from the pockets of working class Americans and enriches the business owners who rely on slave labour.

If you are a business owner or a user of the services of the business, you’re a winner. Everything costs less. So the middle and upper classes benefit from this system but the poor people don’t.

I despise Trump myself but then I am one of the ‘elites’ who is fine under the current system.

Isn’t the thrall of power remarkable to watch, though?!

It is amusing. Lammy glowing about his ‘extended dinner’ as he called it on R4 this morning. What very little he has. Trump is more likely to deal with those he has a relationship with here.

He’s a rapist. I don’t give a shiny shit what he stands for. I have seen you on other threads trying to normalise the man. You have an agenda and it’s noted.

Not unreasonable OP. This is the clear direction of travel now across most of the West.

Modern liberalism hasn't lived up to its promises - I don't just mean lefties or progressives but the overall fundamental underlying views that have underpinned politics for decades. As PP have pointed out, mass migration isn't a "leftist" thing, it's a liberal concept. Open borders are a liberal concept. Multiculturalism with no requirement to integrate is a liberal concept. Self-identification is a liberal concept. Sexual "freedoms" such as celebrating BDSM, polyamory, having affairs, and men never having to commit are all liberal concepts.

All of the "hard" pressures in the world point to a swing away from all of those things, for protective reasons.

We can only hope that no one is stupid enough to fall for the stuff Farage spouts but then again...of those that voted, 52% of the people that vote in elections, voted for the UK to leave the EU so I'm not exactly rock solid on my opinion of the Great British Public so I'm not.

It is amusing. Lammy glowing about his ‘extended dinner’ as he called it on R4 this morning. What very little he has. Trump is more likely to deal with those he has a relationship with here

Who is that then? anyone in power here? Musk wants Farage gone, who else do you have in mind?

Or is it wishful thinking? knock the UK whenever you can.

Still going then? Is Lammy the whole UK?

The UK is a mix of stuff he’s not everything now is he

No, it is not wrong. If you are in favour of democracy, the answer can only ever be no.

Yes and Herbert Kickl in Austria

I can’t believe this is a forum predominantly populated by women. Get out your red robes and caps and prepare for your handmaiden life because that’s what Trump really stands for, stripping women of all reproductive and societal freedom.

Oh my gosh, I was listening to this earlier. Lammy did a 180, in regards to his views on Trump. From previously having some strong negative views on him, to literally falling over himself with all the platitudes for him.

Musk isn't the President so it doesn't really matter what he thinks of Farage.

Trump is a dangerous megalomaniac who, given half a chance, would seize power in the us and turn it into the dictatorships he loves so much. I'm surprised he's not already talking about getting rid of the 2 term limit. He won't succeed but I bet he wants to try.

He is a criminal and an abuser. He is petty and vindictive.

I seriously doubt he gives a flying fuck about the American people. What he wants is power.

People who are desperate for power should never get it. It does not end well.