Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

[Anniedash]

I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

This. My goodness you have certainly bought into what he is selling. Take a step back.

People who support Trump don't see those children as human beings so they don't care about the inhumanity of their conditions.

Trump said that he's going to get the military on the streets to round up illegals and is talking about stripping people off their citizenship.

He's such a good business man that he hasn't considered how his plans will effect the economy. Nor the fact that there simply aren't the resources to carry out his promises.

They must be putting Kool Aid in the water.

Unless you are a Russian bot and listened to his mangled speeches, you'd know he speaks in absolute gibberish and throws out incendiary buzzwords to get his MAGA cult all fired up.

Yes

I'd far rather that level of honesty from a politician than the vicious wolves that pretend to be sheep

It's quite impossible to bankrupt a casino but he did manage it 👏

It's over the hill and faraway with the rest of the "research" that supports the post.

Considering how much he won by I'm beyond being surprised by voting percent now. Consistently disheartened but not surprised.

Well at least he's good at something!

@Anniedash - you wrote these points and I'd like to take them one by one:

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration
Trump wants to stop refugees from landing in America, not just people from poorer economies wanting the life that America has projected outwards like "You too can live like this as an American".
The only way that America can stop Mexican people from crossing into the US is to help Mexico have as good an economy as the US so the people no longer want to use illegal methods to travel to the US and work and live there as illegals.

Saying no the climate hysteria.
We should be hysterical about the climate. Jesus!!! We're seeing such terrible weather issues around the globe and we really needed to listen to the scientists 20 or 30 years ago. If we're not jumping up and down and getting our elected officials to actually ACT on making grass roots changes, things like crops will fail (even in the developed world), more floods will happen, people will die. Would you not think you should be getting hysterical at the passive nature that your elected officials have taken so far to deal with this??

Putting a stop to woke madness.
I'd like some more information on how you see what is happening throughout the US and even the world as 'madness'.

Driving the economy forward
How is he actually planning on doing this? By making the rich even richer and further widening the divide between the have and have nots?

Putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work
Again, how do you see this happening because he is all about the freebies for his rich mates, but not for the people that genuinely need them. Medicare and Medicaid are not freebies. Social Welfare is not a freebie.

Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas
If you think anything that comes out of that mans mouth is 'common sense' speaks more about you.

Isn’t the thrall of power remarkable to watch, though?!

Look at our lovely Keri, scion of the Islington intelligentsia desperately trying to cosy up to Trump now? And how scared the liberal left are about being left begging outside the inner sanctum.

Trump will be an American tsar, surrounded by courtiers and oligarchs, provided they know the limits of their power and influence.

It may work well for a few years and is certainly a needed reaction to the acceptance of ‘woke’ (for want of a better word).

But it is dangerous and scary. Only Trump knows how far he wants to go and how much respect he actually has for the normal checks and balances.

You can see why Trump and Putin respect one another, they are very similar. And Putin did a lot of good for Russia before he went too far. The West and oligarchs were robbing Russia blind before he took over.

*Keir, not Keri!

You’ve effectively proved the point that so many people have about him…he doesn’t stand for anything. He says a lot of “stuff”, contradicts himself all the time, appeals to different groups by changing his tact etc. You believe those things because it’s how you interpret his vague ramblings. I’ll say one thing for him though, he’s smart in that respect.

Clearly you've gotten all your news from social media. Heres the kicker - none of what you consumed and based all your beliefs, and your vote on, is NOT news. It's made up.

On social media, for example, there are no rules whatsoever governing the truth in news reporting. So what you've thought was news, or fact, what you voted for, is sensationalised made up propaganda.

Compare that to If you only watch local TV broadcast news, you'll be watching actual news, because those broadcast local channels aren't allowed to make things up. That's why on those channels you'll hear about climate change science, the way many children were seriously traumatised and harmed by family separations and detention under Trump the first time round, how jokes about Haitians eating pets led to bullying and violence against black people in the US, Trumps sexual harassment, fraud convictions, etc. Probably you don't see any of that as you're just using social media for entertainment pretending to be news.

A lot of people are going to suffer because of your support for Trump, that's for sure.

And lastly the reason you're starting this goady post is because Trump posts only feel good to the poster if they are making people feel hate and anger and hurting others. You'll know that yourself, regardless of how you try to defend yourself. You'll be getting all your good feeling today from sticking it to, and hurting, rival voters, making them upset and miserable and mocking them. That ls because you've been socialised into thinking that's ok and that's the point of voting. It's not. Voters should support each other, voters should expect a lot more.

The only thing (or only one) Trump stands for is himself. He is only president to enrich himself and to get praise from those around him.

If that is what you want for you country, a leader who doesn't give a shit, then I feel really sorry for you.

Migration and globalism are right wing ideals, not Left wing, illegal migration is pretty much impossible to stop unless military force is used, ie shooting people.

We in the UK have been run mainly by the Tories since WW2, Europe has moved away from leftwing more socialist policies over the last 20 years, & globalism is very much a right wing ideology... one reason why Corbyn & other left wing politicians are against the EU.

You say both benefit the super rich - they do but then blame leftie liberals..... your post is very confused.... unless you think the super rich are all leftie liberals?

Trump is a triumph of marketing & false promises supported by people who cannot think for themselves.

See how we were led along by Bojo? Control our borders, 350m for the NHS, Take back control.... a marketing exercise... even its main "designer" Cummings, said Brexit was a stupid idea, yet seemingly intelligent people supported it all.

This is a poster who thinks the current iteration of the Tory party is left wing. Fortunately this kind of extremism is rare.

In 5 years time, you will be able to observe that his policies are confused and incoherent and won't lead to any of the outcomes that most of his voters hope for.

If enacted, his trade tariffs for example, will increase inflation, which many Americans complain about. Normal people will get poorer under him, and the rich will get richer (he loves to cut their taxes).

Re migration, those people are the bedrock of the US economy, working way below minimum wage and not using Gov services. If they were all removed, this would also cause inflation. Do you suppose there are loads of Americans lining up to clean cars, pick fruit, nanny children for very low wages? No, obviously not.

If it were that rare, right-wing radicals would not be elected all over the world right now. It certainly got Trump elected

Lets just take this nugget, Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

No one argues that war is a good thing, sometimes it is necessary though.

BUT Trump doesn't argue war is bad, he just says he wants people to stop fighting.

His method of doing that in Afghanistan was to make a deal with the Taliban. What sort of president makes a deal with a terrorist organisation instead of the democratically elected government?

I agree with all of that

Completely. And the sexual assault charges. They never seem to get mentioned here. The blatant racism when he talks about immigrants.

You're aware that a very famous (or should that actually be infamous) German Chancellor had two bites of the cherry - once in 1914 and the other in 1939. Same dude. Spouting the same rhetoric.

You don't see any parallels with this?

I'll ask you this - why would a social media platform specifically thank an individual rather than a party or a process or the legal system for restoring their service in a country? What was done to the servers while the American end users were not able to post on TikTok for those 12 hours?

When he states that he'll bring the war in Ukraine to a close in less than 24 hours - how is he proposing to do that? Possible resolutions include making Ukraine give up some of it's land? A sovereign state being asked/told to relinquish ownership of part of its country?? Why should they? Could you imagine if Mexico decided to take back some of its land?? Or if Canada decided that they wanted Alaska back and invaded the area. All hell would break loose and America wouldn't have it! Why should Ukraine have to suck it up.

it didn’t go well for Sunak - who is apparently left wing.

You have issues over transgender views but not a man who sexually assaulted women,, brags about it and has been made president. Ok🤔