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Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

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Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:48

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

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Birmingbacon · 19/01/2025 17:51

What about “ex-public school boy murders girlfriend” you never get “state educated man murders girlfriend”

UndermyShoeJoe · 19/01/2025 17:52

I’m hazarding a guess it’s because they based their depraved sexual abuse on one type of girl.

So it’s was Muslim grooming gang targets white deprived / underprivileged girls.

Not Christian man attacks random girls.

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:54

Birmingbacon · 19/01/2025 17:51

What about “ex-public school boy murders girlfriend” you never get “state educated man murders girlfriend”

Exactly! This is what I mean. It's almost as though the word Muslim is thrown into the mix to deliberately feed the likes of Tommy Robinson type mentalities.
Given that the overwhelming majority of child sex offenders in UK prisons are white and presumably from some kind of Code or otherwise "Christian" heritage or ancestral background, why is Their religious affiliatiom never mention? Is it because they're not Muslim?!

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BetjemanFan · 19/01/2025 17:55

More here:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/19/grooming-gangs-the-making-of-a-scandal/

"But we also know something else about grooming gangs: the perpetrators are mostly of Pakistani heritage, while the victims are overwhelmingly white. For our political and cultural elites, this has been treated as something to be squeamish about, ‘an awkwardly inescapable part of the story’, as one Guardian columnist put it.

Yet the ethnic identity of the perpetrators is not merely an ‘awkward part of the story’. Their ethnic identity is integral to the scandal itself. This is not, as racists are desperate to imply, because the horrendous actions of these particular men show how wicked and anti-white all Pakistani people are – cue despicable talk of mass deportations, etc. No, it’s because the predominant ethnic identity of the perpetrators is precisely what fuelled the state’s shameful, years-long reluctance to tackle the problem of grooming gangs in the first place."

Grooming gangs: the making of a scandal

How elite fears of social unrest and accusations of racism led the state to look away from industrial-scale abuse.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/19/grooming-gangs-the-making-of-a-scandal

BetjemanFan · 19/01/2025 17:56

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:54

Exactly! This is what I mean. It's almost as though the word Muslim is thrown into the mix to deliberately feed the likes of Tommy Robinson type mentalities.
Given that the overwhelming majority of child sex offenders in UK prisons are white and presumably from some kind of Code or otherwise "Christian" heritage or ancestral background, why is Their religious affiliatiom never mention? Is it because they're not Muslim?!

Please educate yourself, it sounds like you haven’t looked into how these groups operated at all.

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:57

And just to add ethnic identity is completely different to religious background or identity. Not even all Pakistanis are Muslim tbf.

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Tittat50 · 19/01/2025 17:57

I think the religion is the focus ( Muslim) as opposed to being Asian. I'd need to analyse the headlines to see how each one was presenting that.

Reference to the Muslim element is incredibly relevant from what I see. Because there's a particular dynamic at play here, Muslim men specifically targeting white (probably non religious)working class girls. This raises lots of questions ( and so it should). Why Muslim men as perps and why these girls as victims?

I also acknowledge there is a world of other abuse going on that we probably don't even know about.

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Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:59

BetjemanFan · 19/01/2025 17:55

More here:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/19/grooming-gangs-the-making-of-a-scandal/

"But we also know something else about grooming gangs: the perpetrators are mostly of Pakistani heritage, while the victims are overwhelmingly white. For our political and cultural elites, this has been treated as something to be squeamish about, ‘an awkwardly inescapable part of the story’, as one Guardian columnist put it.

Yet the ethnic identity of the perpetrators is not merely an ‘awkward part of the story’. Their ethnic identity is integral to the scandal itself. This is not, as racists are desperate to imply, because the horrendous actions of these particular men show how wicked and anti-white all Pakistani people are – cue despicable talk of mass deportations, etc. No, it’s because the predominant ethnic identity of the perpetrators is precisely what fuelled the state’s shameful, years-long reluctance to tackle the problem of grooming gangs in the first place."

This proves my point. Yes, it's fair to describe these offenders as Pakistani if that's what they are... Not sure how religion plays a part or fits into their ethnic or racial demographic though.

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HermioneWeasley · 19/01/2025 18:00

Catholic priests were named as such I believe.

there is a backlash because of the refusal to acknowledge the role ethnicity has played in these child rape gangs up to this point (and still is by some). The refusal to name the problem means that right wing groups are now dominating the narrative. We need more voices like Dame Falkner stating facts in the article linked:

“I’m afraid there is a Pakistani problem, and we must root it out”

www.thetimes.com/article/d42492e4-c0ed-4459-ba3b-cf9488c164b1?shareToken=9834276733587b4212b7e7f467634f31

Hoardasurass · 19/01/2025 18:01

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:54

Exactly! This is what I mean. It's almost as though the word Muslim is thrown into the mix to deliberately feed the likes of Tommy Robinson type mentalities.
Given that the overwhelming majority of child sex offenders in UK prisons are white and presumably from some kind of Code or otherwise "Christian" heritage or ancestral background, why is Their religious affiliatiom never mention? Is it because they're not Muslim?!

We are calling them Muslim rape gangs because that is what they are and they were specifically targeting white working class little girls and no one did anything because it would be islamaphobic.
This sort of woke crap needs to be dragged into the sunlight and every single person whether that's police, councillors, social workers or the perpetrators themselves needs to be prosecuted in each and every one of the 50+ towns where these men were systematically grooming, raping and torturing these girls so that it never happens again.

lifeturnsonadime · 19/01/2025 18:03

Not sure how religion plays a part or fits into their ethnic or racial demographic though.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to way some Muslim countries treat women?

Against the backdrop of that I think that there is a conversation to be had.

Not all Men.

Not all Muslim Men, but some, and to protect victims where there is a commonality it needs to be named without fear of being called racist. Otherwise we create sacred castes.

And yes before someone says I know that the majority of sex offenders in this country are white, hardly surprising given that we are a majority white country.

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 18:04

If it were a "Muslim" or "Muslim men" problem, why don't we hear anything about grooming gangs from the diverse other Muslim majority communities that we have in the UK. No Bosnian, Chechen, Turkish, Iranian, Arab grooming gangs? They fact that the only grooming gangs we hear of are the Pakistani ones suggests the problem here isn't "Muslims".

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FaithFables · 19/01/2025 18:04

Because their religion or rather their take on their religion has a direct effect on how they viewed and abused their victims!

Tittat50 · 19/01/2025 18:04

I'd say the religious element is everything here. It feels almost integral to it. And I see how race is also integral.

It makes you ask questions- what is it about this religion and culture that fed into this abuse dynamic? And why was it not handled correctly? Why were victims ignored and perpetrators not brought to justice?

It's because they were Asian and because they were Muslim!

thisfilmisboring123 · 19/01/2025 18:04

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:54

Exactly! This is what I mean. It's almost as though the word Muslim is thrown into the mix to deliberately feed the likes of Tommy Robinson type mentalities.
Given that the overwhelming majority of child sex offenders in UK prisons are white and presumably from some kind of Code or otherwise "Christian" heritage or ancestral background, why is Their religious affiliatiom never mention? Is it because they're not Muslim?!

No, bullshit posts like yours is what ‘feeds the likes of Tommy Robinson type mentalities’

Tittat50 · 19/01/2025 18:07

thisfilmisboring123 · 19/01/2025 18:04

No, bullshit posts like yours is what ‘feeds the likes of Tommy Robinson type mentalities’

What is a Tommy Robinson mentality?

The guy has got a very valid point regards all the things he's highlighting regards these rape gangs. His problem from all I see is with regards to Islam and it's application. I can see that is problematic.

fizzypop100 · 19/01/2025 18:09

Rape gangs.
They raped children

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 18:10

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AlisonDonut · 19/01/2025 18:10

It is also because part of the issue is that local councillors and politicians deliberately put a block on investigations because they needed the votes of the community and were more concerned with 'community cohesion' than the girls themselves.

Saschka · 19/01/2025 18:10

BetjemanFan · 19/01/2025 17:55

More here:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/19/grooming-gangs-the-making-of-a-scandal/

"But we also know something else about grooming gangs: the perpetrators are mostly of Pakistani heritage, while the victims are overwhelmingly white. For our political and cultural elites, this has been treated as something to be squeamish about, ‘an awkwardly inescapable part of the story’, as one Guardian columnist put it.

Yet the ethnic identity of the perpetrators is not merely an ‘awkward part of the story’. Their ethnic identity is integral to the scandal itself. This is not, as racists are desperate to imply, because the horrendous actions of these particular men show how wicked and anti-white all Pakistani people are – cue despicable talk of mass deportations, etc. No, it’s because the predominant ethnic identity of the perpetrators is precisely what fuelled the state’s shameful, years-long reluctance to tackle the problem of grooming gangs in the first place."

Based on your experience of the police, do you think it is more likely they ignored this because they were incredibly racially-aware and woke, or because they were lazy and/or bent?

I don’t see the police worrying about looking racist when they stop and search black teenage boys. They do have a long history of corruption and association with organised crime however (which this certainly was). Remember that the police called gang members to let them know when at least one of the victims tried to make a statement.

Of course it is much more convenient for them to say “oh sorry we were just too keen to avoid being racist” than it is to say “our senior officer was getting backhanders for us ignoring this”

Circumferences · 19/01/2025 18:11

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TonTonMacoute · 19/01/2025 18:11

Abuse in the Catholic Church, whether sexual abuse or the terrible treatment of single mothers at the Magdalen laundries, religion is always mentioned. The religion may not be a cause of that abuse per se, but it is a factor. Same is true here.

It was an over sensitivity about mentioning the ethnic and religious origins of these particular gangs that caused the abuse to carry on uncontrolled for so long in the first place.

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