Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

I know it’s one of this oh so you heard. But it’s been well known since I was at secondary school. Many Muslim boys saw white girls as for fun and sex while they wanted a pure Muslim girl for marriage. White girls seen and who* to use. Muslim girls where not allowed sex before marriage as it brought shame but a Muslim boy and a white girl no problem because it doesn’t count.

It seems that religion and race is integral only because of how people are talking - highlighting each example

If you look at the data, that no longer seems to be the case- they are ignoring many other cases

If you say all smarties are red and only show the red smarties in your hand , people will believe you. If someone empty the box and see all the different colours , you wonder why they other person lied

People are not hiding anything if they don't go around yelling Muslim grooming gang - they are trying to make sure other people don't hide stuff and deflect attention away from child abusers to the Muslim population in general

The people covering up are the ones who don't want to face the truth - abusers and grooming gangs are every religion, every skin colour. But if you are not Muslim you are ok ?

Because the vast majority of them were /are of Pakistani heritage and Muslim. Pretending not to notice that, or not mentioning it for PC reasons is why they got away with it for so long.

It was happening when I went to uni in London in the 80s. Walking home to the halls of residence it was always the Pakistani taxi drivers who made our lives a misery.

Sorry but I'm not prepared to airbrush that fact out.
And I fully recognise that there are child abusers in the CoE and the Catholic Church, I am no fan of any organised religion, but the scale of systematic offending by Pakistani men working in packs was/is off the scale.

You also have this problem when describing cults. "Christian cults", "Christian extremists", "right wing Christian group" --- all acting in a very non Christian way (mostly seen in America). Just like "Muslim grooming gang". Do real Muslims groom and rape women? Certainly not. Does it sell stories and sensationalise political agenda....yeah. It is used to divide. Works wonders for politics. The public think the government has tried to cover up something by what they call it, breeds mistrust, you get labelled if you try to speak "the truth", gets people all angry, causes more division, makes people extreme (on both sides), people want "change" etc etc.

If its about Muslim grooming gangs, why are we seeing these gangs in other Muslim communities? Why confined to the Pakistani community? This suggests to me the problem is more around cultural mindsets than any religion.

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@midgetastic I think you're saying that we have awful depraved behaviour akin to this across other cultures and religions. Yes I can absolutely agree there. Nothing surprises me at all anymore regards the capacity for depravity and people on hand to cover it up.

And yes, some things don't get the attention they should. We probably don't even know it's happening!

I still feel that this particular scandal is concerning. I have to question myself why this is. I believe for me it's because it feeds into a dislike I have for religion. I have a particular problem with Islam and the holy book and what it espouses. That's concerning and then you consider the number of inhabitants coming and already here who follow this religion. That can make one feel very uneasy. Add to that the two tier policing which I now believe absolutely is happening in certain Muslim communities. That's scary to me.

( Happy to have my perspective challenged btw. I'm always open to that 🙏).

How Does the local girl at 13 decide which man is a Pakistani Muslim vs another Muslim or will she just see a Muslim.

The problem is MEN. Always has and always will be. Unless the justice system changes properly to protect women and to punish rapists (no matter what their cultural background) then nothing will change.
Victims have and continue to be blamed. Their voices continue to be silenced despite special training of officers. The whole system needs an overhaul of how violence against women should be dealt with.

@Elseaknows yep. At the core of it all, this is the issue and always will be.

OP the Muslim element is relevant as the perpetrators targeted non Muslims deliberately because they were "dirty" and therefore fair game. As well as targeting Christians they went for Sikhs.and Hindus too. That's the religious element.

The Pakistani element is important rather than calling them "asian" as it pinpoints the country from which most of the perpetrators were from. It means it does not draw other Asian groups in unfairly. That's the ethnic element.

The reason that this matters (as well as identifying what the perpetrators were doing, who they were and who and why they targeted particular groups) is that because they were of that religious and ethnic background the authorities did not stop them for fear of being seen as racists.

Worth doing some reading up on this as it's so important.

It probably is absolutely about cultural mindset. Northern Pakistan is very different culturally to Northern England. I'm from Rotherham. One of the issues with girls reporting the abuse is children were taught to say Asian or Muslim when what would have been more appropriate was Pakistani. But we were not allowed to say the P word, even tho it is more accurate than Muslim or Asian. Asia is a big place, Muslim a huge religion.

Language was always a massive issue in this issue. Families were told by SS and the police the dds were in 'relationships' with these men and nothing they could do. That the sex they were having was consensual, that the girls were 'chosing' to see them etc etc etc.

Obviously someone who is being groomed doesn't have the ability to give consent.

I'd personally like to see the men identified by their ethnicity rather than their religion. Or both.

Of course the majority are white seeing as we live in a majority white country. White child sex offenders aren’t being covered up, they get convicted and put away. Do you realise how big this shit is?

Back in the 1980s agencies were scared to report and often refered to the children involved in sexual exploitation as prostitutes. For a professional to refer to a child as a "child prostitute" is despicable.

How many errors have been made since then? How can the public regain trust when this continues to happen and young british girls are failed by the system that's supposed to have their backs?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-61983584

She will just see a Muslim? You mean a brown skinned person from the Indian subcontinent. If the same girl sees any of the Muslim men in my white European Chechen community she would see a Muslim. Albeit possibly without even realising. Its downright ignorant to assume a person's religion by their ethnic appearance. For the record I have white skin, blue eyes and light brown hair. So do all all my brothers and many other men in our community.
Would they "look Muslim"? Mmmm...

They raped white girls because they can, because white blonde girls are not protected by men, because the men around them enabled them to and because they perceive white girls as prostitutes rather than children.

No religion advocates abusing anybody. People can be twisted independent of faith.

If the religious and cultural beliefs are relevant to the behaviour and attitudes, the word to describe the specifics is relevant too.

This is my whole point! Thank you :)

Write to Sir Keir Starmer and the Lord Chiefs Justice office and explain to them your views.

Also, drop a line to Tommy Robinson because you actually both have the same view point from what I’ve read of him, and what I’ve read in this statement of yours

Who knows until there's a proper enquiry? Imagine if no one had brought religion into the Catholic priest abuse scandal, though? Or the Magdalene laundries?

Often uncomfortable characteristics like religion, race/culture really do matter because they are factors that affect how we deal with an issue.

Because the girls were seen as "other" therefore fair game

The majority of grooming gangs are white:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/elon-musk-npcc-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-pakistani-b2677586.html

What a time for British white men who are groomers!

British Hindu and Sikh communities don’t want the grooming gangs to be referred to as Asian. They have expressed dismay that Keir Starmer refers to the men as Asian grooming gangs.
As far as they’re concerned these gangs are of Pakistani heritage and Pakistani men are mostly Muslim.

I am sure men from all ethnicities include some gangs who rape.
However, as far as we know, nothing has been carried out on this scale before with so little intervention by the police and associated services.