Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

Because the reason why these raping and murderous bastards weren't investigated was because they were Muslim. It is pertinent to the manner in which the crime wasn't dealt with.

Because that was the reason the crimes were covered up for so long… and still are.

OP, if your point is that the Rotherham and other Northern gangs should be called 'Pakistani rape gangs' then fair enough. And the Bristol gang to be called a 'Somali rape gang'.

It's important to open the discourse on this and not shy away from it, avoiding the subject is what allowed this to continue for so long.

Also, there is huge gender inequality in Sharia law and therefore many majority Muslim countries that enforce it. It's not racist to say this or recognise it.

As the poster said above, not all men, but enough to be problematic, same applies here.

It is characteristic of this crime that the perpetrators come from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds. The prevalence of 'rape genocide' as a strategy in the war between Pakistan and Bangladesh meant the behaviour was absorbed into the culture (if it wasn't there before), and was brought to the UK when people immigrated. Islamic teachings (perhaps Qur'an, Hadith or tradition) allow a deep disrespect of white women ('the daughters of the unbelievers are permitted to you') and the social behaviour of western women is so different from what their culture tells them to expect of women that they believe - and teach each other- that white women and girls 'are brought up to it by their parents' (ie having sex with randoms) and 'want it' because 'all white girls are players'. White women are thought to be only worthy to be abused and to be urinated on. Their country is the 'pure land', the UK is 'stupid country'. Within their communities there is a teaching that you should cover up your neighbours sin, in the same way you would hope he would cover your failings. See the work of Raja Miah (Recusant Nine) on YouTube.

The mistake we made (and continue to make) was thinking that people from other parts of the world would share our (Western, European, UK) worldview. They don't.

There are men in rape gangs who are not Pakistani Muslim, but they take advantage of the structure of abuse that the Pakistani Muslims establish. They're just as guilty, but not as organised.

I taught for years. I have known British Pakistani Muslim boys who would never be involved in anything like this - and others. The only time I heard of a girl being rescued (having been captured by a man and held prisoner) was when girls from her school contacted the man and said they'd have the police round there if he didn't release her. I asked if they weren't afraid - no, neither the girls nor the boys in their class were afraid, they were going to do the right thing. Remembering these people gives me hope.

I started teaching in 1993 and heard of this behaviour shortly afterwards. Police and Social Services knew but would not intervene. We have recently heard that government gave instructions they were not to do so.

Thousands of our children have been sacrificed to keep... what? Politicians in their jobs? Peace on the streets? Is it real peace if your twelve year olds are being raped by four or more men at a time? Or even by one man. It should never happen. We let the abusers think we didn't care, or that we were too weak to put a stop to it.

Thousands of families have been damaged - victims families, perpetrators families, the youth who have been conditioned to think this is acceptable behaviour and the victims who have been conditioned to accept that this is all they are worth.

Pitifully, there are still white British, often middle-class people, who don't believe this has happened and is happening still, who think it is all exaggerated, who can't imagine it, who think one girl 'making it up' means they all were.

This is, cumulatively, the biggest crime the UK has ever known. It is an ongoing act of terror. Politicians, police, local councils and social services are all potentially complicit, and perhaps should be subject to legal action.

Stop focusing on language to try to distract from the truth of the situation.

It's also terrifying to contemplate the power that this group has. Two tier policing is happening and that is frightening. You say one thing out of line regarding the holy book and it's leader ( too afraid to even say it FFS) and you're at risk of losing your job, your life in some cases, forced into hiding. This is really happening to people. This is all relevant and ties into the religion of Islam and thus Muslims. ( Not all of course).

This scandal and the association with religion and cultural origin is something we must understand.

Agree there’s all types of sex offenders, all backgrounds.

The current headlining crime is “gangs”, groups working together to target, groom and exploit.

The other headline, is our politicians, social workers and police … didn’t want to upset the “community”, and that community is the Pakistani Muslim community. They failed to do their jobs and allowed the abuse to continue.

If there are other grooming gangs, the public should be aware as protections are public. Public can decide if religion is of interest/ important, right now, we have civil servants deciding what the public should know and covering up. If they covered it up because of religion, then that why it’s highlighted now. Should have done their jobs properly.

This is now a bigger issue that local & national government, social care & policing have elevated into an international issue … giving certain groups negative publicity worldwide.

So, if the gangs they have prosecuted or are aware of- are Male, Muslim & of Pakistani origin …that should not be kept secret. If they are white, COE and from Chelsea then I would expect that headline too.

Because people want to ignore the white grooming that goes on as they can then create a them and us situation where white ppl can get angry about people of other ethnicities doing this but ignore ppl of their own ethnicity doing it. They do not care when it is someone of their own ethnicity.

Usually I'd agree but in this case they got away with it for so long because they were Muslim.......police were afraid of being labelled racist / Islamophobic.

I think there was more to it than that:

• The police were not interested due to their own misogynistic attitudes, the young girls were labelled slags or prostitutes
• The victims were not ‘perfect victims’
• The victims were often in care, not regularly attending school, not seen as worth bothering with
• The racism from the police was more of a passive dismissive racism ‘you know what the p*s are like’
• The Pakistani community closes ranks and has issues with misogyny and lack of respect for women

I grew up in the 90s in a town where this went on and the fact that they were pakistani was more of an issue than their religion.

Something like 85 Sharia Councils are operating in the UK ( I'll have to fact check exact numbers).

That is messed up. That scares me.

The majority of white paedophile rape gangs are of white heritage. 🙄

Wonder why their religion is not mentioned?

82% of the population of England is white so yes, logically, most grooming will be done by white men.

That does not alter the fact that in this case, these girls were targeted by and raped by Pakistani grooming gang who were, by and large, Muslim. That is a fact not a judgement.

Are we saying now that we should dwell on the "racism" before dwelling on the horror of what these men did?

Are we saying that we don't want to cause offense to the offender?

Sorry but that's simply not true vis a vis the religion being discussed

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Why is so little being reported of white grooming and sexual abuse gangs?

What is wrong with calling a spade a spade?

Calling them "Asian" or South Asian is grossly unfair to Indians (who are primarily Hindu), Sri Lankans etc.

They are all Muslim. The majority are Pakinstani descent. There is clearly a problem with that community that needs to be highlighted and addressed. Finally.

Let's have a look at that logic.

The Catholic Church was exposed for hiding the abusive priests who assaulted children.

Should the fact that they were Catholic have been left out of the reporting?

Did that fact not have anything to do with that specific crime wave?

Even the people who are seriously getting it wrong don't think that. Rape is rape no matter what the ethnicity of the faith of the victim is according to Islam.

Culturally they saw it incorrectly as a lesser crime.

Culturally they didn't see it as a crime at all.

Fucking hell, the amount of people who don't understand per capita is shocking.

Do we see Catholicism-phobia as a result? Are Catholics more likely to be discriminated against a result? Will Catholic churches get attacked? Will people shout slurs at Catholics who are walking in the street minding their own business?

Yes, so did I and while the religion was secondary to the nationality in the common knowledges and discussions among the working class community and those in a none formal setting, the lacklustre response to it among the safeguarding authorities and political arms of discourse did not.

It is crime in the culture.

Even drunk drivers know it is a crime when they do it.