Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

A wider issue is treatment, exploitation and oppression of females within own community. All girls, females, women should have access to education, sports - if parents/carers are not treating girls equally as expected in British society then there should be intervention.

If families live in UK, and DO NOT allow girls same freedoms as others, then really not sure why would want to live here.

In conclusion, I think the problem is men and failure to integrate. Closed communities do devils work.

They chose girls who were vulnerable.

The Quran does however advocate for the rape and enslavement of non Muslim women. That is a fact.

Please quote the verse.

@Pin3martin

I was at school in the 90s and there were Pakistani men hanging around outside our school, outside a children’s home, opposite bus stops. They would verbally abuse us and call us slags.

Girls in my year were raped and went missing.

It has taken 20 years for it to be spoken about , for people to say that Pakistani men in these towns are abusing children without being automatic deemed racist and yet you have to try and distract attention!

Why are you more interested in ‘what about white men’ or conspiracies that you are being divided than young vulnerable girls raped and tortured????

Let them have their time and let their be some justice.

Are you saying that Muslim girls are not vulnerable?

I grew up in Rotherham. In my class in secondary school, there were 3 girls who were victims of this, two children who were products of their mums being victims of this in the 80’s and five children who had dad’s/ brothers arrested for this in the last few years.
There was a councillor who was the uncle of “mad Ash” who made sure he evaded justice for years and years. He’s also been accused of rape and being part of the grooming gangs but, so far, this has only got to the “alleged” stage. Two of his daughters, whom he is very close to, are both involved in working with victims of domestic abuse and grooming. They have access to all the information from their dad’s alleged victims.
The reach and extent of this is beyond comprehension if you don’t live there. The young Muslim men act with complete disregard because they know they are above the law. They deal drugs openly. They commit acts of violence with impunity. You cannot report them for anything because they will claim you started the interaction with a tirade of racist abuse and it will be you who ends up being arrested. Even the low level crimes such as how they will stop their cars in the middle of the road to have a chat with a friend driving in the opposite direction, bringing all the traffic to a complete standstill, can escalate into extreme repercussions for anyone reporting it. Everyone bites their tongues and keeps their mouths shut.
Think about the teacher in Batley. He showed an image of Mohammed as part of a lesson. He has been hounded out of a job and had credible and ongoing threats against his life made. Has anyone been arrested, charged and prosecuted for these death threats? No. Instead he’s encouraged to change his identity and his entire life. With the shrug of “what did he expect?” echoing around us.
Can you think of a single other instance of a teacher showing an educational picture would be met with accepted death threats?
I moved far away when I fell pregnant. I will not have my children growing up in that environment and thinking it’s normal. I will not have them called racist or liar when they speak out on it.

They are vulnerable in different ways yet by the very same men.

I'm afraid I can't understand your sentence.

No thanks my child’s life has been turned upside down by online grooming gang sexual abuse and subsequent rape. I truly believe the racism and focus on Muslim gangs is going to be a huge danger to an awful lot of children like mine. We do need to start talking about white grooming gangs too however unpalatable that is for some. The fact some quote Epstein, Hollywood and the Catholic Church when talking about white grooming gangs speaks volumes.

There is, there's loads.
Look at all the stuff about the Catholic, and other churches, about abuse in Hollywood. Mass markets films and TV have been made about it. Even people who just knew about it and did nothing have seen heads roll. Safety measures have been put in place (remains to be seen how successful) and institutions have been hand wringing and promising change (again, remains to be seen how successful).
All I've heard from the Muslim communities is whinging about how its not fair. I haven't seen a single bit of self reflection about how they need to root these attitudes out and change.

Yes absolutely. I believe many of us can say yes to both. I'd imagine the abuse of young Muslim girls is incredibly hidden within communities. Because of the closed communities and the Sharia Council bullshit operating in this Country, I can't begin to imagine what goes on in some communities.

It does not detract from the very fact that white working class girls were targeted for a reason.

The threat from white male groomers is also something to be mindful of as a female as these are significant in their numbers and outnumber these gangs so all should be considered as all are doing the same thing.

To ignore one set of groomers and focus on another set when both are acting in the same way is disgusting in my eyes. All cultures provide the backdrop to enable it and also the male views about women in this country regardless of religion and culture is terrifying.

Yes, I'd say Pakistani rape gangs is a more fitting description. Apologies if my original post wasn't entirely clear, English is my third language :).

Obviously Muslim girls are vulnerable too. But the PP said that the perpetrators targeted their victims because they were "vulnerable" rather than because they weren't Muslim.

Because many of these men were deliberately targeting non-Muslim girls. My friend was a victim and her attacker told her he would not do this to a Muslim woman as he would respect her too much.

There was a complex interplay of religion and culture here and that does need to be acknowledged.

White girls don’t face honour killings and forced/arranged marriages that the Muslim girls are/ can be, facing genital mutilation.

Muslim girls were not victims of the Muslim men attacking drugging and raping white girls.

The problem overall was the Muslim men. Both sets of girls victims in different ways to the same men.

was meant to quote @Hoppingabout

Actions speak louder than verse.

Where have I said that rape is part of Islam though as with all religions the man’s right to sex with his wife is an allowance for martial rape

You are incrediably naive to think that rape is treated a serious crime in many Muslim countries regardless of religious scripture

They committed their crimes in spite of being Muslim not because of being Muslim, so it is irresponsible for them to be labelled as Muslim grooming gangs. I'm pretty sure not one of the perpetrators has tried to justify his vile actions from a religious perspective. And if he did, that wouldn't make it true.

Abuses in the Catholic Church aren't comparable if they were committed by priests or took place in religious institutions. In such cases the Church does bear some responsibility. I'm not aware that imams were part of these grooming gangs, but if they were then I would expect the authorities of every mosque to loudly condemn such disgusting behaviour.

A sex offender is a sex offender and they will always prey on the vulnerable, which will often be working class girls, white or other.

Are you really not aware of online white grooming gangs abusing children in THIS country that have nothing to do with the Catholic Church?Seriously!

What safety measures are there for the grooming gangs that are white which are not in the church?

No. Pakistani Muslim gangs. It is highly relevant that both those identifiers are used.

I appreciate it's horrible for you. I am not trying to attack Muslims. But we need to tell the truth. It's the biggest crime in UK history.

I'd say Pakistani rape gangs rather than Muslim this or Muslim because they are so absolute removed and distant from anything I have ever known or related to as a practising Muslim. My family and community would say the same.

Well yes actually.

Graffiti, window smashing, desecration happened to churches.

The Catholic church as an institution has collapsed numbers wise in most of the West, and not recovered - Boston, Ireland, Spain etc.

Their revenue has also collapsed as people no longer donate.

One of their most important areas of expertise was education - that is gone.

Catholics in general are not discriminated against as it is Catholics who were abused.

However - all priests and all nuns? Most definitely. Slurs came fast and furious when they walked around. So much so they were told to stop wearing the clothing of priests and nuns, such was the anger against them.

This happened where the scandals hit.

And you know what? Rightly so.

If innocent Catholic priests and nuns got harassed for crimes they did not commit I do not feel too badly.

The scale of abuse implies that a hell of a lot of them turned a blind eye. Maybe, next time, maybe they will push back and do the right fucking thing.

These are young children whose life is stolen in the most heinous possible way.

We need communities to push back against these men. We need total and absolute INTOLERANCE when it comes to their sex crimes and their depravity.