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Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

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Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:48

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

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justasking111 · 21/01/2025 13:00

I know a family who left Calderdale when their daughter was going into secondary school because men started showing interest in her.

TENSsion · 21/01/2025 13:01

Thelnebriati · 21/01/2025 12:55

Again, that report treated two men working together as a gang.

''Groups have been defined as “two or more people of any age, connected through formal or informal associations or networks, including, but not exclusive to, friendship groups”
www.gov.uk/government/publications/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending/characteristics-of-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-in-the-community-literature-review-accessible-version

And the police have admitted that recording the ethnicities of the perps is not a priority and often is overlooked.

Also, as I’ve previously stated, “grooming gangs” is not a legal term so will have no place to be formally and consistently recorded.

Any “data” is nonsense at this point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 13:03

It's just a gotcha. But a lame one.

Betchyaby · 21/01/2025 13:03

Twiney2 · 20/01/2025 21:44

That is not the Quran. @roxyro said it was in the Quran.

A random Islamic website does not prove anything.

'What the right hand possesses is in the Quran' This refers to slaves and how it is permissible to have sex with slave women. WHY are you denying the easily provable facts!?

This type of excuse making and denial of certain unfavourable parts of the Islamic belief system is why the abuse these young girls suffered got brushed under the carpet.

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2025 13:10

Scammersarescum · 21/01/2025 11:06

Why are we now pretending that these Muslim rape gangs weren't stopped because people were lazy? It's a lie. Plenty of police are good at their jobs and dedicated. Pretending this happened because they are corrupt or lazy is simply chilish. Many were afraid. I know a policeman who was was told in no uncertain terms that these kind of issues are only allowed to be dealt with by the 'community' to avoid rioting. Which let's face it, the Muslim community are more than happy to do. Who can forget the black lives matter protests for the death of drug dealer Yasser Yaqub. A man who was literally reaching for his gun when shot, but still the bradford muslim community turned out in force to show their displeasure at the death of this scumbag, whilst doing nothing about him themselves. Or the recent riots because an Asian man was arrested at Manchester airport. They didn't appear to care that he had punched a female police officer in the face when they were all getting their knickers in a knot did they?

Ask Ann Cryer about raising the issue of these rapes, she raised the alarm decades ago and was branded a rascist.

These men need to be publicly acknowledged as Muslim as much as possible and wherever possible. Why? The Muslim community makes quite a big deal about how they want their own Sharia courts and their community can deal with its own wrong doers. Yet time and again they do nothing and perpetrators regularly abscond abroad.

They need to be reported as Muslims to remove the stigma of people calling out these communities, just because Muslims are often brown and black it doesn't mean they are inherently good or above criticism but for many years in the Yorkshire region they have been.

Many Muslims are vehemently homophobic, many support death for those leaving the religion and many, many of them are deeply misogynistic. Believing that unless women and young girls are locked away and covered up that they are whores. Many think that white non Muslims are trash and can be used and abused at will. And that is why is vital to publicly state that those responsible are Muslims. Misogyny had no place in society, it is equally as vlle as rascism yet it is endemic in the Muslim community and we are all expected to look away. Bradford has its own policing unit just to combat forced marriage. In this day and age. In the UK.

So if you are making silly excuses up for why this went on for so long just stop, because you are pushing people into the arms of right wing parties.

The Muslim community in the UK is part of this society, they need to function as part of it and they need to be called out on their protection of wrong doers, their oppression of those with differing religious views, their subjugation of women and their oppression of gay people. To name but a few, because if we keep pretending that Islam is simply a totally benign religion, if we keep pretending that totally isolationist Muslim communities cause no harm, we are perpetuating a lie that in time will lead to the kind of backlash where Nigel Farage becomes our leader.

Then we're all fucked, so let stop the dishonesty.

Yep

Hoppinggreen · 21/01/2025 13:12

Jingleballs2 · 21/01/2025 12:49

I live further north and have a lot of "white flight" up here.. I don't blame them to be honest!! Who the hell would want to live there

There are actually a lot of Muslims of Pakistani heritage who don't want to live there either.
My friends from that ethnic background and their families moved away as soon as they could afford to, they are as horrified about these slums and some of the behaviour from people who live there as the rest of us.
One of them (a Doctor) described it to me like this "imagine the only experience non English people had of The English was Stag and Hen groups in Benidorm, assumptions will quite rightly be made"

MaloryJones · 21/01/2025 13:12

Because they ARE ?

quantumbutterfly · 21/01/2025 13:17

TENSsion · 21/01/2025 12:33

As I got higher up in the education sector (2015 ish) I started attending secret meetings about concerns regarding safeguarding within the Roma community. One in particular was attended by representatives from the local schools, the police, social services, NHS etc. We discussed the fact that we KNEW children were being encouraged to defecate themselves to be able to claim more disability benefits, we KNEW they had their children (age 3 upwards) out on the streets unsupervised until the early hours. We had very strong suspicions the parents were complicit in girls as young as 8 being used as prostitutes by Pakistani Muslim men for a cut.
We discussed all the different evidence and situations we’d experienced.

The result of that meeting was that the police and social services decided to not act until we had “more evidence” for fear of backlash and calls of racism from the Roma and Pakistani Muslim communities. The Rotherham situation had broken in the media two years prior. The doctors were very concerned about the long term effect of children no longer holding their bowel movements but the ones with the most power had spoken.

I quit a few weeks later and moved the DV sector. I thought I would be able to do more and help more with the knowledge we had. I did that for a few years before realising it was just more of the same.

I quit and started working in my husband’s business which is in retail.

I know people won’t believe my accounts. That’s who whole problem.

Thank you for the sunlight on this. I hope it can make a difference.

Feelingathomenow · 21/01/2025 13:26

Onemorenamechangeagain · 21/01/2025 12:07

As you've rightly said, I don't live in any of the towns where this is prevalent. But can I ask, as someone who does live there, now that this has all come to light, do you think it is as prevalent as it was 10 or 20 years ago? Has it decreased at all, now that these men know that they're being watched? I would assume they'd be more reluctant to approach children now, in this age where teenagers (and people in general) will whip out a phone and start recording when something untoward happens? Has this worked as a deterrent in any way? Or has it not made any difference?

I loved in one of these areas and moved out because I felt unsafe living there and was worried for my son. If anything it has gotten worse. Emboldened by the fact everyone knows what goes on, that they can act above the law and no one does anything apart from occasionally wheeling out a “community leader” if things go too far. Plus all the “be kind and embrace multiculturalism otherwise you’re racist” shouts by MC people living no where near the problem.

It is precisely this lack of listening that is driving the far right, that will most likely see Farage in power. People are at the end of their tether and it’s not surprising. I was lucky and could move away, but many people are stuck in these areas, frightened for themselves and their kids. It’s a powder keg and as we have seen it doesn’t take much to ignite. We need to stop and re- evaluate how to enable be to live together- this can only be done where there are shared norms and values that take precedence over all else. We need to look at how British norms and values are embraced (or not) by people living here.

DancingOctopus · 21/01/2025 13:27

usernamealreadytaken · 21/01/2025 12:40

It's not being seen in other Pakistani communities either; Pakistani Christians, Sikhs and Hindus aren't grooming and raping white girls. This is specifically a Pakistani Muslim issue.

There has been at least one case of a Somali rape gang.

Betchyaby · 21/01/2025 13:34

Feelingathomenow · 20/01/2025 17:42

@Betchyaby - I’ve now watched this and find it extraordinarily worrying this man has so many followers.

  1. why is he only speaking to men?
  2. why does he effectively refuse to answer the persons questions about sex with non- Muslim women
  3. why does he try and stir up anti west hatred by making accusations about Guantanamo Bay and say this proves Islam is “superior” - any so called scholar of comparative religion would not make these kinds of comments which I think undermines any claim to his scholastic credentials.
  4. He doesn’t seem to address the rest of Q4:34 which states in its various translations men are above women as ordained by Allah.
  5. He doesn’t really address whether Islam allows slavery
  6. He doesn’t address the question about whether women have the same rights.

His channel is full of videos that seem to put forward the view that Islam is superior to other religions and Judaism and Christianity should both recognise Mohammed as a prophet.

Other all a terrible example of scholastic perspective. Cab you recommend a decent scholar who can talk about this subject.

  1. Because it is a deeply misogynistic religion. There is segregation of the sexes in almost all aspects of life.
  2. He did address this, with the 'what the right hand possesses' comment.
  3. As a way of justifying Islam's attitude towards Jihad. This is also in the Quran. 'Kill them wherever you come upon them' (non believers)
  4. No, I suppose he is focusing on the questions asked of him. The role of wives wasn't brought up.
  5. I think he makes it quite clear slavery is allowed. Numerous verses in the Quran cover slaves/slavery.
  6. Women do not have the same rights: 'The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

Of course he believes Islam is superior, all religions believe theirs is superior otherwise they wouldn't be following it. The difference is Islam calls for Holy war against non believers and the captured women are considered the spoils of war who you can legally rape.

headstone · 21/01/2025 13:51

Some dumb people on this thread. There are literally billions of Muslims on the planet, if every Muslim interepreted the religion to mean they could kill and rape non Muslims as much as they pleased, trust me you would know about it. Unfortunately with rape gangs many men are part of this from the President of the USA to the duke of York. If history is to go by Europeans are the most genocidal with shocking levels of child sexual abuse too, however I don’t agree with lumping everyone together because that’s racist.

Onemorenamechangeagain · 21/01/2025 13:54

Feelingathomenow · 21/01/2025 13:26

I loved in one of these areas and moved out because I felt unsafe living there and was worried for my son. If anything it has gotten worse. Emboldened by the fact everyone knows what goes on, that they can act above the law and no one does anything apart from occasionally wheeling out a “community leader” if things go too far. Plus all the “be kind and embrace multiculturalism otherwise you’re racist” shouts by MC people living no where near the problem.

It is precisely this lack of listening that is driving the far right, that will most likely see Farage in power. People are at the end of their tether and it’s not surprising. I was lucky and could move away, but many people are stuck in these areas, frightened for themselves and their kids. It’s a powder keg and as we have seen it doesn’t take much to ignite. We need to stop and re- evaluate how to enable be to live together- this can only be done where there are shared norms and values that take precedence over all else. We need to look at how British norms and values are embraced (or not) by people living here.

I more or less said the same thing earlier in the thread, that the cover up has helped to increase racial tensions if anything. Some people misunderstood what I meant by this.

usernamealreadytaken · 21/01/2025 14:08

DancingOctopus · 21/01/2025 13:27

There has been at least one case of a Somali rape gang.

One instance does not warrant a label. A pattern of specifics does.

DancingOctopus · 21/01/2025 14:09

usernamealreadytaken · 21/01/2025 14:08

One instance does not warrant a label. A pattern of specifics does.

The members were also Muslim and one victim was told that being raped by her " boyfriend's" friends was " part of his culture".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 14:15

What should they be called @DancingOctopus?

DancingOctopus · 21/01/2025 14:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 14:15

What should they be called @DancingOctopus?

In that particular case, a " Somali Muslim rape gang".

Betchyaby · 21/01/2025 14:19

headstone · 21/01/2025 13:51

Some dumb people on this thread. There are literally billions of Muslims on the planet, if every Muslim interepreted the religion to mean they could kill and rape non Muslims as much as they pleased, trust me you would know about it. Unfortunately with rape gangs many men are part of this from the President of the USA to the duke of York. If history is to go by Europeans are the most genocidal with shocking levels of child sexual abuse too, however I don’t agree with lumping everyone together because that’s racist.

Some dumb people on this thread. Ironic.

How each individual 'interprets' the verses doesn't change the fact these verses exist.

with rape gangs many men are part of this from the President of the USA to the duke of York. Hearsay. Evidence?

If history is to go by Europeans are the most genocidal. Define the most genocidal? Do you mean the most deaths collectively or the most separate cases of genocide? Which Europeans? Do you realise the individual responsible for the highest number of death was in fact Mao Zedong.

Historic genocide is completely unrelated to this topic anyway, we are talking about recent and current Muslim rape gangs operating in Britain.

I don’t agree with lumping everyone together because that’s racist. Yet you just lumped together an entire continent of different countries with different languages and cultures, as the 'most genocidal.' 😳

Banyon · 21/01/2025 14:41

ToWhitToWhoo · 19/01/2025 20:15

Exactly,

Some police used 'community cohesion' as an excuse; but this doesn't mean that the gangs were allowed to get away with rape and abuse because of 'woke liberals' favouring Muslims. They got away with it because the police and criminal justice system are very weak with regard to rape and violence against females at the best of times, and were particularly so here, because many of the victims were not just working class, but from very poor backgrounds: in some cases in care. And 'care' too often means the complete opposite.

I see a LINK in geographic area around Rotherham with the abuse scandal at the Hesley Group residential special schools.

The school, care home, social care, Lado, safeguarding and police all chose to take NO Action when most vulnerable were being physically, sexually, psychologically and medically abused. Many many reports were made - no action taken, Millions spent investigating & nothing done for victims & no one accountable.

No one had been charged, arrested or prosecuted..

usernamealreadytaken · 21/01/2025 14:52

DancingOctopus · 21/01/2025 14:19

In that particular case, a " Somali Muslim rape gang".

I'm sure if it was being discussed or reported in the media it would have been. The larger discussion is about the larger issue of Pakistani Muslim grooming and rape gangs.

Teddybear23 · 21/01/2025 14:54

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:59

This proves my point. Yes, it's fair to describe these offenders as Pakistani if that's what they are... Not sure how religion plays a part or fits into their ethnic or racial demographic though.

Because 99% are Muslim.

TENSsion · 21/01/2025 14:56

Teddybear23 · 21/01/2025 14:54

Because 99% are Muslim.

And because Islam is inherently misogynistic

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 15:03

n that particular case, a " Somali Muslim rape gang".

So do you then support calling the grooming gangs as a whole "Muslim grooming gangs"? I'm confused as to what point you're making.

Teddybear23 · 21/01/2025 15:13

StopStartStop · 19/01/2025 18:46

It is characteristic of this crime that the perpetrators come from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds. The prevalence of 'rape genocide' as a strategy in the war between Pakistan and Bangladesh meant the behaviour was absorbed into the culture (if it wasn't there before), and was brought to the UK when people immigrated. Islamic teachings (perhaps Qur'an, Hadith or tradition) allow a deep disrespect of white women ('the daughters of the unbelievers are permitted to you') and the social behaviour of western women is so different from what their culture tells them to expect of women that they believe - and teach each other- that white women and girls 'are brought up to it by their parents' (ie having sex with randoms) and 'want it' because 'all white girls are players'. White women are thought to be only worthy to be abused and to be urinated on. Their country is the 'pure land', the UK is 'stupid country'. Within their communities there is a teaching that you should cover up your neighbours sin, in the same way you would hope he would cover your failings. See the work of Raja Miah (Recusant Nine) on YouTube.

The mistake we made (and continue to make) was thinking that people from other parts of the world would share our (Western, European, UK) worldview. They don't.

There are men in rape gangs who are not Pakistani Muslim, but they take advantage of the structure of abuse that the Pakistani Muslims establish. They're just as guilty, but not as organised.

I taught for years. I have known British Pakistani Muslim boys who would never be involved in anything like this - and others. The only time I heard of a girl being rescued (having been captured by a man and held prisoner) was when girls from her school contacted the man and said they'd have the police round there if he didn't release her. I asked if they weren't afraid - no, neither the girls nor the boys in their class were afraid, they were going to do the right thing. Remembering these people gives me hope.

I started teaching in 1993 and heard of this behaviour shortly afterwards. Police and Social Services knew but would not intervene. We have recently heard that government gave instructions they were not to do so.

Thousands of our children have been sacrificed to keep... what? Politicians in their jobs? Peace on the streets? Is it real peace if your twelve year olds are being raped by four or more men at a time? Or even by one man. It should never happen. We let the abusers think we didn't care, or that we were too weak to put a stop to it.

Thousands of families have been damaged - victims families, perpetrators families, the youth who have been conditioned to think this is acceptable behaviour and the victims who have been conditioned to accept that this is all they are worth.

Pitifully, there are still white British, often middle-class people, who don't believe this has happened and is happening still, who think it is all exaggerated, who can't imagine it, who think one girl 'making it up' means they all were.

This is, cumulatively, the biggest crime the UK has ever known. It is an ongoing act of terror. Politicians, police, local councils and social services are all potentially complicit, and perhaps should be subject to legal action.

Stop focusing on language to try to distract from the truth of the situation.

Thank you for explaining the situation so well 👍

Feelingathomenow · 21/01/2025 15:30

Teddybear23 · 21/01/2025 15:13

Thank you for explaining the situation so well 👍

I agree I think this is a fantastic explanation. The phrase that really struck me was “ an ongoing act of terror” I’m hoping Starmer with his comments today about how terrorism needs to be redefined includes these kinds of crimes within terrorism. Because, fundamentally I think they are designed to strike terror into people and I believe are ideologically driven.

We need to start addressing attacks on our, British, morals and values as an attack on Britain.

i do feel sorry for the peaceful Muslims here, ones who have assimilated into British life. But we need to protect our society from those who don’t abide by, and actively attack our morals and values. Where we see this we shouldn’t be afraid to call it out for what it is.

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