To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

[Birdscratch]

And German politics and just focus on the President he’s already paid for and turning X into a toxic wasteland.

Hear hear.

You can’t explain how any of your scenarios develop. You have a list. That’s no insight. It’s a list

Tell us again why you and Musk support AfD

I suspect, one has already happened!

This. Turning an unelectable rabble into a landslide winning party in four years is the work of a ruthless disciplinarian.

As this thread has progressed and as I've read posts and read evidence cited I feel slightly differently. This often happens c/o MN and is why I really enjoy it here 😀.

I now feel that his intentions are incredibly questionable, his motives are concerning and the level of sway and influence he has is worrying. His track record of behaviour online at least is questionable and off the wall at times.

I still sit slightly off middle in that I feel there are some real issues associated with this scandal and how the public perceive the current Gov approach to managing concern regards crimes committed by certain groups. Are there more concerning things we should be focusing on right now? Well I can think of a fair few issues along with this.

Still trying to remain measured whilst a part of me does still feel there's a problem here in how crimes by certain groups are handled. I don't know the full extent of this though and need to continue to gather more knowledge and evidence. ( Which is difficult because I don't trust most news sources).

It won Thatcher and Blair three elections apiece.

I think most people know Labour were the happy beneficiaries of dissatisfaction with the Tories/spilt of the Tory/Reform vote. Something unlikely to be replicated at the next election

Not really.

Yes, I think the Tories definitely lost the last election rather than Labour winning it

See that one is genuinely interesting to me; more relevant to the UK and more plausible

It would have to be a short war, just long enough to be meaningful but short enough so that the election called "after it" would be before the next election is due and therefore counts towards this scenario of "an early election" being discussed. Abou 2 years, 2 months 18 days? and then people would have to be so riled up about the terrible mishandling of this mysterious conflict they would all vote for reform. It could happen. Lots of things could happen. But it is oddly specific.

You can’t “not really” win an election. Both of them were tough leaders.

It was ever thus, hence the old adage of oppositions never winning elections and governments always losing them.

This is the same stuff as came out due to the riots. It’s a forthcoming race war etc

Nasty. Wanting conflict

What do you mean not really? They won three elections each and maintained iron discipline over their parties. What are you disagreeing with?

Yes, but it wasn’t the main reason they won elections

Nobody said it was.

This time felt very different though. People struggled to point to any positive things about Labour beyond “not Tories”

I think you’re misremembering.

So therefore, by extension it wouldn’t have been the reason Starmer won the last election.

GTTO was the strategy

The common people against the establishment. Trump, Farage and Musk apparently the defenders of the common man, taking down the establishment. Musk the odd-ball multi billionaire, Trump the son of a millionaire real estate tycoon who is now a multi billionaire and Farage the son of a stockbroker who is privately educated and a multi-millionaire. I’m sure they really care about us all.

No, that is certainly the impression I and many others had. Nice of you to try and tell me what I thought at the time (and still do) though