Page 37 | To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

Birdscratch · 2025-01-03T11:19:27+00:00

And German politics and just focus on the President he’s already paid for and turning X into a toxic wasteland.

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:34

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:26

Don’t think facts are allowed onto this thread.

I don’t really want an election in this country. I still think we will get one.

I don’t want Reform to win next election. I still think they will.

the last two are opinions BTW.

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I know. The funny thing is those at both extremes of the Musk debate are equally supporting Musk’s agenda, Too many people seem to wear blinkers and can only see what’s directly in front of them and keep plodding down the same road with no thought.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:35

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:33

You took the words out of my mouth

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Again. Do tell me which of those things is fantasy?

russia literally invaded Ukraine whilst everyone was looking the other way.

South Korea is literally paralysed right now and can’t even arrest its former president. That’s pretty close to civil war.

this countries and scenarios affect us. Today.

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:35

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:33

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

Context:
• Prime Minister: James Callaghan (Labour Party)
• Issue: Labour was leading a minority government after losing its parliamentary majority in 1977. The government relied on a pact with the Liberal Party and other smaller groups to maintain power.
• Trigger:
• Labour MPs and trade unions became increasingly dissatisfied with the government’s handling of the economy and public spending during the “Winter of Discontent” (1978–1979), marked by widespread strikes over pay restraint.
• Internal divisions within Labour weakened its ability to govern effectively, and external opposition parties sensed vulnerability.

Key Event:
• Vote of No Confidence: On 28 March 1979, the Callaghan government lost a vote of no confidence by a single vote (311–310). This was largely due to internal Labour discord, alongside opposition MPs uniting against the government.

Outcome:
• Callaghan was forced to call a general election, which took place on 3 May 1979. The election resulted in a decisive victory for Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives, marking the beginning of an 18-year Conservative rule.

This example highlights how internal disagreements and divisions in a ruling party can undermine a government and ultimately lead to an early election.

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Minority government is the key phrase here. Not comparable to the current one.

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:36

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:33

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

Context:
• Prime Minister: James Callaghan (Labour Party)
• Issue: Labour was leading a minority government after losing its parliamentary majority in 1977. The government relied on a pact with the Liberal Party and other smaller groups to maintain power.
• Trigger:
• Labour MPs and trade unions became increasingly dissatisfied with the government’s handling of the economy and public spending during the “Winter of Discontent” (1978–1979), marked by widespread strikes over pay restraint.
• Internal divisions within Labour weakened its ability to govern effectively, and external opposition parties sensed vulnerability.

Key Event:
• Vote of No Confidence: On 28 March 1979, the Callaghan government lost a vote of no confidence by a single vote (311–310). This was largely due to internal Labour discord, alongside opposition MPs uniting against the government.

Outcome:
• Callaghan was forced to call a general election, which took place on 3 May 1979. The election resulted in a decisive victory for Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives, marking the beginning of an 18-year Conservative rule.

This example highlights how internal disagreements and divisions in a ruling party can undermine a government and ultimately lead to an early election.

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That isnt comparable at all. Callaghan's government was a minority one. Labour's current majority is the 3rd largest of the modern era.

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:36

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:33

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

Context:
• Prime Minister: James Callaghan (Labour Party)
• Issue: Labour was leading a minority government after losing its parliamentary majority in 1977. The government relied on a pact with the Liberal Party and other smaller groups to maintain power.
• Trigger:
• Labour MPs and trade unions became increasingly dissatisfied with the government’s handling of the economy and public spending during the “Winter of Discontent” (1978–1979), marked by widespread strikes over pay restraint.
• Internal divisions within Labour weakened its ability to govern effectively, and external opposition parties sensed vulnerability.

Key Event:
• Vote of No Confidence: On 28 March 1979, the Callaghan government lost a vote of no confidence by a single vote (311–310). This was largely due to internal Labour discord, alongside opposition MPs uniting against the government.

Outcome:
• Callaghan was forced to call a general election, which took place on 3 May 1979. The election resulted in a decisive victory for Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives, marking the beginning of an 18-year Conservative rule.

This example highlights how internal disagreements and divisions in a ruling party can undermine a government and ultimately lead to an early election.

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Got anything a bit more recent than 40 odd years ago?

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:36

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:33

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

Context:
• Prime Minister: James Callaghan (Labour Party)
• Issue: Labour was leading a minority government after losing its parliamentary majority in 1977. The government relied on a pact with the Liberal Party and other smaller groups to maintain power.
• Trigger:
• Labour MPs and trade unions became increasingly dissatisfied with the government’s handling of the economy and public spending during the “Winter of Discontent” (1978–1979), marked by widespread strikes over pay restraint.
• Internal divisions within Labour weakened its ability to govern effectively, and external opposition parties sensed vulnerability.

Key Event:
• Vote of No Confidence: On 28 March 1979, the Callaghan government lost a vote of no confidence by a single vote (311–310). This was largely due to internal Labour discord, alongside opposition MPs uniting against the government.

Outcome:
• Callaghan was forced to call a general election, which took place on 3 May 1979. The election resulted in a decisive victory for Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives, marking the beginning of an 18-year Conservative rule.

This example highlights how internal disagreements and divisions in a ruling party can undermine a government and ultimately lead to an early election.

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This government isn’t a minority government. It couldn’t be more different.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:36

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SerendipityJane · 05/01/2025 20:37

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:37

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:36

This government isn’t a minority government. It couldn’t be more different.

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I never said it was the same I said I could find examples of a government arguing itself into a general election.

I am confident that a vote on military action in perhaps Ukraine would split the party and depending on how important it was, sink the government.

there are thousands of other scenarios.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:38

SerendipityJane · 05/01/2025 20:37

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Again. If you have something g to say - say it. A string of smiley faces just makes you look foolish.

WHY is there NO CHANCE of an election before 2029 exactly?

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:38

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:30

Because they might be forced to.

do you know anything at all about politics?

it’s not just that they hang on for dear life until 2029 whatever happens you know? Right?

also if Labour call
one NOW they might see Reform off before they get organised!!

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This fruit loop theory of yours is one I have seen on Mumsnet where the government collapses because of geopolitical instability.

This is crackpot stuff, and governments with huge majorities do not generally implode because of what happens in other countries. If you knew UK politician history since we had universal suffrage you’d know that too.

Ignorant of the country in which you live, its history, its constitution and imagine it’s tipped over on a whim. What kind of person are you?

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:39

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:36

Got anything a bit more recent than 40 odd years ago?

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Do you think people and politics has changed that much? The laws certainly haven’t changed much.

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:39

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:37

I never said it was the same I said I could find examples of a government arguing itself into a general election.

I am confident that a vote on military action in perhaps Ukraine would split the party and depending on how important it was, sink the government.

there are thousands of other scenarios.

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Is that why you are supporting AfD?

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:39

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I and others just addressed one of your points. Would you like ketchup or brown sauce on your plated up bottom?

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:39

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FeegleFrenzy · 05/01/2025 20:40

Must isn’t just interfering in U.K. politics, he’s also throwing his support behind the German far right party. He’s got some nasty far right thinking behind him.

While I think it’s hilarious hes thrown Farage under the bus it’s rather sad that he’s only done this due to Farage distancing himself from the racist Tommy Robinson.

I’ve never heard of this other Reform MP who Musk thinks should be the reform leader before, I can only assume he’s put some even more right wing stuff than Farage on social media.

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:40

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:38

Again. If you have something g to say - say it. A string of smiley faces just makes you look foolish.

WHY is there NO CHANCE of an election before 2029 exactly?

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Because it’s a government with a large majority that waited 14 years for power. The election result was hard fought for. This is not a government that will give up on power however much you might wish it.

walkingnightmare · 05/01/2025 20:40

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Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:40

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:33

Insults. Insults.

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Why are you finding a genuine question about whether someone knows anything about politics when discussing politics “insulting”.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:41

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:38

This fruit loop theory of yours is one I have seen on Mumsnet where the government collapses because of geopolitical instability.

This is crackpot stuff, and governments with huge majorities do not generally implode because of what happens in other countries. If you knew UK politician history since we had universal suffrage you’d know that too.

Ignorant of the country in which you live, its history, its constitution and imagine it’s tipped over on a whim. What kind of person are you?

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A far better educated and informed person than you - clearly.

things that happen in other countries - affects this country.

you get that right?

the food you eat the phone you type on and everything else dear to you - comes from abroad.

we are not - other than literally - an island.

there are so many thing our side the UK that could lead us into far worse than an early election Om quite staggered you don’t see it. What a myopic world view.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:42

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If you don’t have anything to say about this valuable debate but piss poor insults, why are you here?

if I’m wrong - and I could be - TELL ME HOW AND WHY

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:43

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:42

If you don’t have anything to say about this valuable debate but piss poor insults, why are you here?

if I’m wrong - and I could be - TELL ME HOW AND WHY

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We have. You’re just permanently on transmit, try receiving a bit.

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:43

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:37

I never said it was the same I said I could find examples of a government arguing itself into a general election.

I am confident that a vote on military action in perhaps Ukraine would split the party and depending on how important it was, sink the government.

there are thousands of other scenarios.

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It could sink the Starmer government, yes, but force a general election? Nah, thats far outside the realms of realism. We'd end up with a Labour leadership election.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:43

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:40

Because it’s a government with a large majority that waited 14 years for power. The election result was hard fought for. This is not a government that will give up on power however much you might wish it.

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I don’t wish it.

I still think it’s likely.

because I have a wider view and grip on UK and global
politics and conflict - than you.

I won’t say it any more it’s boring. But there are thousands of pathways to an early election and quite a few of them are very possible in the next 12 months let alone 4.5 years.

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:44

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:41

A far better educated and informed person than you - clearly.

things that happen in other countries - affects this country.

you get that right?

the food you eat the phone you type on and everything else dear to you - comes from abroad.

we are not - other than literally - an island.

there are so many thing our side the UK that could lead us into far worse than an early election Om quite staggered you don’t see it. What a myopic world view.

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No. You can’t illustrate your point with facts. You are here to frighten people and post bullshit about what could happen. That isn’t educated, it’s fear mongering