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To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

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Birdscratch · 03/01/2025 11:19

And German politics and just focus on the President he’s already paid for and turning X into a toxic wasteland.

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BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:44

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:43

I don’t wish it.

I still think it’s likely.

because I have a wider view and grip on UK and global
politics and conflict - than you.

I won’t say it any more it’s boring. But there are thousands of pathways to an early election and quite a few of them are very possible in the next 12 months let alone 4.5 years.

Name a few - they have to have some basis in reality though.

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:44

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:41

A far better educated and informed person than you - clearly.

things that happen in other countries - affects this country.

you get that right?

the food you eat the phone you type on and everything else dear to you - comes from abroad.

we are not - other than literally - an island.

there are so many thing our side the UK that could lead us into far worse than an early election Om quite staggered you don’t see it. What a myopic world view.

An alien invasion?

After all Brexit gave us back sovereignity

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:44

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:39

Do you think people and politics has changed that much? The laws certainly haven’t changed much.

Err

Have you heard of Clause IV? Or maybe New Labour?

And innumerable new laws have been enacted in the last 40+ years

How can you be so woefully ill-informed???

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:45

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:33

Next they will suggest a Jan 6 style assault on Parliament

Why would they do that? What in their responses has lead you to conclude this person would incite violence?

It’s extremely interesting when people can no longer discuss the point at hand they often end up constructing a strawman they find it easier to use their pre-rehearsed arguments against. Unfortunately, it’s a tactic we are seeing increasingly on social media.

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:46

Clearly monkeyvsbunny thinks we are all beneath them intellectually, so pointless engaging further, really.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:46

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:43

It could sink the Starmer government, yes, but force a general election? Nah, thats far outside the realms of realism. We'd end up with a Labour leadership election.

Vote on military action.

labour MPs split. Tories vote for it.

it just scrapes through.

we do it, and our military is too shit / poorly funded to achieve its goals, and we are embarrassed in the world. USA bails us out.

Starmer quits. Streeting gets the leadership and calls an election for the government to be respected given what happened, looses. Badly. To reform on a “find the military”
ticket.

I just made this up off the top of my head. There are thousands of
routes to this outcome.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:47

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:46

Clearly monkeyvsbunny thinks we are all beneath them intellectually, so pointless engaging further, really.

I dearly dearly want you to engage with informed political debate. That’s what I am here for.

if you think I am wrong say WHY AND HOW clearly
and cogently.

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:48

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:43

I don’t wish it.

I still think it’s likely.

because I have a wider view and grip on UK and global
politics and conflict - than you.

I won’t say it any more it’s boring. But there are thousands of pathways to an early election and quite a few of them are very possible in the next 12 months let alone 4.5 years.

Honesty, for someone who professes an interest in politics, you seem very uninformed on the basics of elections and government.

You can never say never in politics but the things you consider "very possible" are close to unimaginable - and I say that as someone expecting Labour to have a very difficult time in government and to do poorly at the next election.

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:48

I just made this up off the top of my head.

We know. Try something less fantastical.

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:48

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:45

Why would they do that? What in their responses has lead you to conclude this person would incite violence?

It’s extremely interesting when people can no longer discuss the point at hand they often end up constructing a strawman they find it easier to use their pre-rehearsed arguments against. Unfortunately, it’s a tactic we are seeing increasingly on social media.

Oh, I don't know, something to do with supporting AfD maybe

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/01/2025 20:48

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:27

Except he doesn’t does he? A dancing monkey wouldn’t have disagreed with him. I don’t think it reflects badly on Farage at all

He does. For weeks Elon's been waving money at him and Farage has danced. Today, just after his BBC interview, Musk utterly humiliated him.

Over the weeks when NF was dancing, Reform UK were planning what to do with all that money. They still want that money. Conversations about a new leader have started.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:48

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:44

An alien invasion?

After all Brexit gave us back sovereignity

Edited

Is this really all you have?

playground insults?

all of the scenarios I have mentioned are entirely possible in the next few months with barely anything changing from its current path.

the world is in a very precarious place and you pretending it’s not or calling idiotic insults at people does not make it less true.

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:49

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:46

Clearly monkeyvsbunny thinks we are all beneath them intellectually, so pointless engaging further, really.

Probably not. But the point I want to make is that this theory that she or it is posting is one that isn’t borne out by history.

It’s one thing to disagree politically- but it’s another to imply that the government will collapse. That’s bad motivation because even the most dedicated right winger knows that the chances of that are tiny.

User135644 · 05/01/2025 20:49

SerendipityJane · 05/01/2025 15:15

Returning to the thread title ...

To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

I've had a bit of a Damascene conversion, and think Musks actions in UK politics are actually a really good thing.

Anyone who calls out Farage as a fraudster must have some smarts.

Musk is smart af. Farage would be another Boris Johnson, a populist with an ego.

Reform need Braverman or Jenrick to switch from the Cons.

Combattingthemoaners · 05/01/2025 20:49

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 19:42

I see it as a wonderful breath of fresh air in a political system that is fucked for everyone. No political party was doing and saying things that most of the public wanted. Musk is saying them. Reform is saying them.

this box is not being shut any time soon and I say bring it on.

Spoken like a true populist.

Dolphinnoises · 05/01/2025 20:49

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 03/01/2025 11:23

What? Shutting down free speech?

Elon is needed more than ever because of people like you who only want one particular narrative discussed.

What - instead of the narrative where he’s telling lies? Deliberate lies? And claiming someone who was jailed for contempt of court is some sort of political prisoner?

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:49

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:44

Name a few - they have to have some basis in reality though.

I think one of the most likely is war given the state of the world. We would undoubtedly end up with an election after the peak of any such war (and a cross partly government (with a different leader) in the meantime.

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:50

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:48

Is this really all you have?

playground insults?

all of the scenarios I have mentioned are entirely possible in the next few months with barely anything changing from its current path.

the world is in a very precarious place and you pretending it’s not or calling idiotic insults at people does not make it less true.

Are you saying an alien invasion isn't entirely possible Shock

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:50

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:49

Probably not. But the point I want to make is that this theory that she or it is posting is one that isn’t borne out by history.

It’s one thing to disagree politically- but it’s another to imply that the government will collapse. That’s bad motivation because even the most dedicated right winger knows that the chances of that are tiny.

Tell me which scenarios I mentioned is very unlikely exactly. Or even unthinkable.

im fairly sure they are the top of an iceberg of possibilities that the uk government will collapse.

Christ the May elections might do it.

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:51

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:46

Vote on military action.

labour MPs split. Tories vote for it.

it just scrapes through.

we do it, and our military is too shit / poorly funded to achieve its goals, and we are embarrassed in the world. USA bails us out.

Starmer quits. Streeting gets the leadership and calls an election for the government to be respected given what happened, looses. Badly. To reform on a “find the military”
ticket.

I just made this up off the top of my head. There are thousands of
routes to this outcome.

If there's just one thing Starmer is 'good at' it's his ruthless party discipline

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:51

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:48

Oh, I don't know, something to do with supporting AfD maybe

????? Have you quoted correctly?

ContactNightmare · 05/01/2025 20:51

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:49

I think one of the most likely is war given the state of the world. We would undoubtedly end up with an election after the peak of any such war (and a cross partly government (with a different leader) in the meantime.

We have war now! Is that so extraordinary?

really this stuff sounds like people who never read a history book

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:51

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Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:52

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:51

If there's just one thing Starmer is 'good at' it's his ruthless party discipline

And ruling with an iron fist rarely plays out well

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:52

Combattingthemoaners · 05/01/2025 20:49

Spoken like a true populist.

Not ashamed.

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