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To want Elon Musk to stay the fuck out of U.K. politics?

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Birdscratch · 03/01/2025 11:19

And German politics and just focus on the President he’s already paid for and turning X into a toxic wasteland.

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MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:24

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:20

What plausible scenarios are those? A vote of no confidence in a government with a huge Parliamentary majority? Hmm.

It can just be put to a vote in parliament. If a situation arose where a number of Labour MOs revolted - they could easily do it.

we could be in a shooting war with Russia in a matter of months if AFD win Germany (highly possible) and withdraw support from Ukraine

Or Russia could keel over and the resulting power vacuum leads to the break up of Russia and small civil wars which go nuclear (also very possible)

North Korea could take advantage of the political situation in South Korea and invade destabilising the world economy leading to Labours collapse.

or starmer can just call one.

there are a million quite easy to predict reasons. They are not making it to 2029.

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:24

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:19

Parliamentary majority does not mean actual
majority.

33% of votes, so about 25% of the electorate voted Labour. They still won. However if the prevailing mood of the country gets any worse - and it’s never been this bad so close to an election of a new party then Labour may feel they have to call an election, or lose a leader and then call an election 12 months later.

you do all realise there are hundreds of ways this can happen right?

very, very quickly. The world is exceptionally volatile. Starmer could have his hand forced.

"Parliamentary majority" means...a majority in parliament. Where Labour do have a huge majority.

I would be staggered to see anything but Labour remaining in power until 2029. Whether Starmer remains its leader is a different question, though.

And I will say that if people think Starmer's cost-cutting policies are unpopular (which they undoubtedly are) then I can only imagine how badly the public would react to the public spending cuts that would be needed to achieve significant cuts to net immigration.

ilovesooty · 05/01/2025 20:25

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/01/2025 20:23

Oh I don't know. He can spin it as much as he wants but yesterday Farage said Musk had faith in him and this involvement made the Reform Party look "cool".

Today he looks like Elon's dancing monkey.🤣

Apparently they're friends and will be having a conversation during Trump's inauguration.

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:25

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:24

It can just be put to a vote in parliament. If a situation arose where a number of Labour MOs revolted - they could easily do it.

we could be in a shooting war with Russia in a matter of months if AFD win Germany (highly possible) and withdraw support from Ukraine

Or Russia could keel over and the resulting power vacuum leads to the break up of Russia and small civil wars which go nuclear (also very possible)

North Korea could take advantage of the political situation in South Korea and invade destabilising the world economy leading to Labours collapse.

or starmer can just call one.

there are a million quite easy to predict reasons. They are not making it to 2029.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:26

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:21

an election could easily be held before 2029 and you know it.

Only if Starmer decides to call it. He won’t.

And why would that be? Plenty of elections have been called early. Possibly because they know they will lose (see the last government when they called elections and when they didn’t)

It’s unlikely Starmer will lead into the next election, he’s become too much of a liability. The political landscape is likely to be even more polarised by then meaning they will need an even further left leaning leader.

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:26

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:24

It can just be put to a vote in parliament. If a situation arose where a number of Labour MOs revolted - they could easily do it.

we could be in a shooting war with Russia in a matter of months if AFD win Germany (highly possible) and withdraw support from Ukraine

Or Russia could keel over and the resulting power vacuum leads to the break up of Russia and small civil wars which go nuclear (also very possible)

North Korea could take advantage of the political situation in South Korea and invade destabilising the world economy leading to Labours collapse.

or starmer can just call one.

there are a million quite easy to predict reasons. They are not making it to 2029.

Labour MPs are not going to put themselves at risk like that.

They might end up forcing Starmer out, to try and find a more popular leader, but they aren't going to force Labour out.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:26

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:19

I thought we established it was a discussion about the popular vote (33.7%) and therefore they were correct.

Don’t think facts are allowed onto this thread.

I don’t really want an election in this country. I still think we will get one.

I don’t want Reform to win next election. I still think they will.

the last two are opinions BTW.

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:27

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:24

It can just be put to a vote in parliament. If a situation arose where a number of Labour MOs revolted - they could easily do it.

we could be in a shooting war with Russia in a matter of months if AFD win Germany (highly possible) and withdraw support from Ukraine

Or Russia could keel over and the resulting power vacuum leads to the break up of Russia and small civil wars which go nuclear (also very possible)

North Korea could take advantage of the political situation in South Korea and invade destabilising the world economy leading to Labours collapse.

or starmer can just call one.

there are a million quite easy to predict reasons. They are not making it to 2029.

If a situation arose where a number of Labour MOs revolted - they could easily do it

Why would they revolt? You are operating in the realms of fantasy.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:27

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:26

Labour MPs are not going to put themselves at risk like that.

They might end up forcing Starmer out, to try and find a more popular leader, but they aren't going to force Labour out.

So no party ever has split and argued itself into an election?

do you study politics at all? I do and it’s laughable how often this very thing has happened. Even just in the UK.

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:27

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/01/2025 20:23

Oh I don't know. He can spin it as much as he wants but yesterday Farage said Musk had faith in him and this involvement made the Reform Party look "cool".

Today he looks like Elon's dancing monkey.🤣

Except he doesn’t does he? A dancing monkey wouldn’t have disagreed with him. I don’t think it reflects badly on Farage at all

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:28

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:27

So no party ever has split and argued itself into an election?

do you study politics at all? I do and it’s laughable how often this very thing has happened. Even just in the UK.

When did it happen?

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:28

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:26

Don’t think facts are allowed onto this thread.

I don’t really want an election in this country. I still think we will get one.

I don’t want Reform to win next election. I still think they will.

the last two are opinions BTW.

So if Reform are likely to win the next GE why would Labour call one before 2029?

You make no sense.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:29

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:27

If a situation arose where a number of Labour MOs revolted - they could easily do it

Why would they revolt? You are operating in the realms of fantasy.

Why?

let’s see.

military intervention in a foreign country. (asked to vote for)

deploying troops on the streets (civil unrest)

voting against further support of Ukraine if Germany and France stop supporting them

voting to enforce the borders of this country a lot more firmly than we do now (so as to get back some reform voters)

Christ alive I can think of hundreds of reasons why can’t you?!?!

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:30

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:28

So if Reform are likely to win the next GE why would Labour call one before 2029?

You make no sense.

Because they might be forced to.

do you know anything at all about politics?

it’s not just that they hang on for dear life until 2029 whatever happens you know? Right?

also if Labour call
one NOW they might see Reform off before they get organised!!

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:30

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:29

Why?

let’s see.

military intervention in a foreign country. (asked to vote for)

deploying troops on the streets (civil unrest)

voting against further support of Ukraine if Germany and France stop supporting them

voting to enforce the borders of this country a lot more firmly than we do now (so as to get back some reform voters)

Christ alive I can think of hundreds of reasons why can’t you?!?!

Clearly our penchant for fantasy isn’t as advanced as yours.

Justsaywhatyoumean123 · 05/01/2025 20:31

He doesn’t care about the UK. His only goal was to humiliate Farage. He did it for power with Trump and his own entertainment.

Feelingathomenow · 05/01/2025 20:31

noblegiraffe · 05/01/2025 20:24

No you didn’t.

And a huge majority (the usual definition) is why this government won’t collapse.

Well I seemed to have cross posted with the original poster who basically said the same as me. I’m pretty confident they have a better understanding of what they meant. It’s not their fault you didn’t confirm what definition of “majority” they were using, which they have now confirmed. It is very common now when discussing politics to use both parliamentary majority and popular majority due to establish a government s mandate - come one we’ve already had this discussion.

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:31

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:27

So no party ever has split and argued itself into an election?

do you study politics at all? I do and it’s laughable how often this very thing has happened. Even just in the UK.

I have studied politics, yes, and I can't think of a historical precedent for what you're predicting here - care to share a UK example?

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:31

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:30

Clearly our penchant for fantasy isn’t as advanced as yours.

You tell me which one of those scenarios is less than 20% ish likely

i watch global
politics and wars. It’s a hobby. There is more going on than you think there is.

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 05/01/2025 20:32

I think it’s more likely if we were looking at a wartime footing that there would be some form of National Government rather than an election being called.

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:33

OneLemonDog · 05/01/2025 20:31

I have studied politics, yes, and I can't think of a historical precedent for what you're predicting here - care to share a UK example?

A prime example in the UK of MPs within a ruling party having internal disagreements that effectively caused an early election is the 1979 general election.

Context:
Prime Minister: James Callaghan (Labour Party)
Issue: Labour was leading a minority government after losing its parliamentary majority in 1977. The government relied on a pact with the Liberal Party and other smaller groups to maintain power.
Trigger:
• Labour MPs and trade unions became increasingly dissatisfied with the government’s handling of the economy and public spending during the “Winter of Discontent” (1978–1979), marked by widespread strikes over pay restraint.
• Internal divisions within Labour weakened its ability to govern effectively, and external opposition parties sensed vulnerability.

Key Event:
Vote of No Confidence: On 28 March 1979, the Callaghan government lost a vote of no confidence by a single vote (311–310). This was largely due to internal Labour discord, alongside opposition MPs uniting against the government.

Outcome:
• Callaghan was forced to call a general election, which took place on 3 May 1979. The election resulted in a decisive victory for Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives, marking the beginning of an 18-year Conservative rule.

This example highlights how internal disagreements and divisions in a ruling party can undermine a government and ultimately lead to an early election.

PandoraSox · 05/01/2025 20:33

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:30

Because they might be forced to.

do you know anything at all about politics?

it’s not just that they hang on for dear life until 2029 whatever happens you know? Right?

also if Labour call
one NOW they might see Reform off before they get organised!!

Edited

Insults. Insults.

DuncinToffee · 05/01/2025 20:33

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:30

Clearly our penchant for fantasy isn’t as advanced as yours.

Next they will suggest a Jan 6 style assault on Parliament

Efacsen · 05/01/2025 20:33

BIossomtoes · 05/01/2025 20:30

Clearly our penchant for fantasy isn’t as advanced as yours.

You took the words out of my mouth

MonkeyVsBunny · 05/01/2025 20:33

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 05/01/2025 20:32

I think it’s more likely if we were looking at a wartime footing that there would be some form of National Government rather than an election being called.

Maybe.

maybe not.

sort of depends how shit the situation is. And it can go south very fast.

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