Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

Starmer really is scum, I knew he'd be bad but even I am surprised at how evil he is to want to ignore something like this.

I am not interested in whom Starmer was addressing. We've seen these tactics before—deflect, accuse, and move the hot potato along. Next.

The politics of distraction are alive and well.

C’est ça change.

Phillips was asked by an audience member on Question Time about the attacks near Cologne railway station on New Year’s Eve in 2015. She responded with the following comparison: "A very similar situation to what happened in Cologne could happen every week on Broad Street in Birmingham, where women are regularly baited and heckled."

Heckling and baiting is not quite on the same level as sexual assault or rape.

I do have some sympathy for her having extremists in her consistency; she must be terrified for her life.

In my opinion Jess P has nothing to lose in telling the truth, she had a few hundred votes than her Islamic independent rival and will surely lose next time and could be a political hero. Maybe the political establishment tories and Labour should have been less reckless with their approach to mass immigration then they would be less likely to have islamic extremists in their constituencies. But the working class public are expected to live alongside these extremists with no security like the mps and people like Jess and the rest don't give a toss about their security.

I watched this in full yesterday and am full of admiration for her and for the victims.

Think you'll find there are plenty of us who are delighted to see Starmer standing up to the far right and calling out this bandwagon jumping about enquiries from people who either don't know we've already had one or didn't bother implementing the requirements. He needs to be doing more of that, not less.

You ought to be interested in the truth, its v important who Starmer was referring too as it totally changes what he meant.... but you say you are not interested.

You ve taken that sentence totally out of context, she went on to say that sexual assault also takes place on a night out in Birmingham and then said "“We have to attack what we perceive as being patriarchal culture coming into any culture that isn’t patriarchal and making sure we tell people not to be like that. But we should be careful in this country before we rest on our laurels when two women are murdered every week"

Its now almost 3 women a week, in a domestic setting.

My own opinion is she should have been far stronger on what happened in Germany, but that doesn't excuse the hate and personal attacks she is now getting.

People in response to Musk are calling for her and Starmer to be guillotined, these tweets wont be taken down.

Its nice to know you have "some" sympathy for her.

Absolutely, anyone with an gram of decency in them, will not be supporting Musk and his poisonous far right extreme demands.

Oh do so moaning on about Jess phillips, she is just an inadequate politician like all the rest we've had over the past 20 years. Also abit of a narcissist. I care 1000 times more about children's safety than hers, as she is part of the awful establishment that has enabled all this, particularly human rights lawyers like Starmer who have made it impossible to deport dangerous foreign criminals and none of whom give a toss about our safety just their own enrichment.

No you don't, you re part of the problem, jumping on the bandwagon to slag off and insult people who have actually tried, against the odds, to change matters eg Starmer changed the CPS processes so rape gang prosecutions started to take place but he is scum as far as you re concerned.

But that doesn't matter to you, far more interested in trying to shut people up, joining in with name calling and even wanting the US to run our country....

Don't be so utterly ridiculous.

I cannot believe how many people have fallen for a psychotic bond villains meddling batshit craziness in getting involved ins something he knows nothing about.

What part of ' there has been a comprehensive enquiry ' do you not understand?

As for being at the point when someone like Jess Philips who has campaigned long and tirelessly for victims of sexual assault is now the villain of the piece...words fail me.

I'm convinced some people will not be happy until this country is in the hands of bigoted fascists like those in Reform PLC.

As for being at the point when someone like Jess Philips who has campaigned long and tirelessly for victims of sexual assault is now the villain of the piece...words fail me.

Oh come on. As mentioned by other posters, her dismissive response to Cologne made it quite clear that she campaigns only when the victms are not inconvenient.

He has just called anyone who is calling for the full facts to come out far right. That includes the victims and Maggie Oliver the detective whistle blower who both want a full enquiry. I'm personally abit dubious about enquiries as just more stalling. Have you actually read the details of what these children went through from the court reports? . Part of covering up is that it hasn't been put out on bbc (even work some bits redacted as it will give people sleepless nights). That are racial hate crimes involving sexual torture of girls as young as 5 and if the races were swapped the BBC would be covering it day and night and govt would never stop talking about it. It is not about the narcissist Jess phillips it's much more important. And your comments about Reform are pathetic, it is not party political, all should be outraged and horrified.

This is what we're deadling with:

Phillips equates everyday street harassment with the horrific violence women experienced in Cologne. While it's undeniable that women face varying degrees of harassment in public spaces, comparing these incidents to mass sexual assault is both irresponsible and diminishes the trauma of the women who endured it

The Cologne attacks were a coordinated, violent assault, not just unwanted touching or catcalling.as deeply upsetting and awful as it is.

Street harassment is undeniably a serious issue that needs to be condemned, but it should not have been used to downplay or distract from other, more severe forms of violence.

Jess Philips could have just condemned the attacks for what they were outright;
acts of violence that no woman should ever have to face. rather than trying to equating these problems,

i will leave you to defend Starmer and Co.

As for politicians, all of them across all parities and all sides of the political sphere, I believe they shouldn't be anywhere near Westminster unless they have spent at least 15 years working outside the political bubble.

Only then might they have a genuine understanding of real life.

No, I mean the far right. The ones who've been deliberately bandwagon jumping and exploiting, some of whom like Kemi were in government during the enquiry and failed to implement the recommendations. Those are the ones that some of us are extremely happy to see Starmer sticking the boot into.

If you don't have the wit to understand the difference, that's your fault not mine. Alternatively, if you do understand and are doing it on purpose, this is not a moral high ground situation for you.

I think you will find there are plenty more who are tired of the expression ‘the far right’.

The overuse of this phrase greatly diminishes its impact. When it's repeated ad nauseam, it loses its meaning and starts to feel more like a buzzword and it no longer holds the weight it should.
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Today a disturbing hypothesis has become a truth: foreign national males living in Britain commit sex crimes at a far higher rate than do British men.
Thanks to data compiled from among 41 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales by the Centre for Migration Control following freedom of information requests, we know that foreigners were 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for sex offences during the first ten months of last year.
The idea that a surge in sex crime could be linked at least in part to a boom in immigration from places where women’s equality is not recognised long ago passed a common-sense test.
After all, the number of rapes recorded by police in England & Wales suddenly started soaring from about 15,000 a year a decade ago towards its current level of almost 70,000 a year.
That coincided with a sharp increase in immigration by young men from countries and cultures that have not experienced women’s emancipation. In some such countries, even the most basic notion of female consent is far from universally recognised.

From the Telegraph, today, it goes on to say that similar studies in Germany, Denmark and The Netherlands reveal similar statistical trends.

Are there really? Where's your evidence of that?

The reality is, we have heard a lot from the far right in the last few days. Denial of that will get you nowhere. You are free of course not to like Starmers comments, but it is plain fact that there are people who are pissed off and concerned about the likes of Musk, Reform and extreme Tories like Kemi who were in government when the enquiry recommendations weren't followed. If you want to dispute the use of far right to describe these people, you'll need to explain why.

You have no idea of what the far right really is, if you think Badenoch represents it. People need to stop diluting the meaning of words. Some people just chuck around 'far right' as an attempt to silence and shame those who disagree with them, and it debases discussion.

Interesting that you don't give any reasons for your disagreement, merely harrumphing.

Badenoch is a very right ring member of a centre right party, to the extent that she's alienated a lot of the softer right. These things are all widely acknowledged and not a matter of opinion. By all means explain why you don't think her stated views across a wide variety of issues mean she's not far right, but until you've at least attempted that, you yourself are making a (weak) attempt to silence.

Is that you, Dawn Butler? 🤔

Ah, so it's alright for you to question other people's morality and make pronunciations about what's 'normal', but nobody can do the same back? Mmmkay.

It's up to you whether you care about Starmer's comments on the far right. That's a matter of opinion. What you are not going to do is pretend that criticism of the far right amounts to criticism of anyone who's got concerns about how any political party has handled this.