Gov refuses home office investigation into historic child sex abuse in Oldham

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I've just read on x that Jess Phillips has formally declined Oldham council's request for the HO to investigate the grooming gangs in Oldham. Why on Earth would they do this? Apparently JP says it should be a local investigation? Clearly that is a conflict of interests and if the council are asking for help they should?

The only link I can find other than x is GB news (apologies).

https://www.gbnews.com/news/oldham-grooming-gangs-labour-government-inquiry-abuse-scandal

I understand that many of the British Pakistani population in places like Bradford etc come from a very rural, very conservative part of Pakistan and this has influenced many of the issues that people are concerned about ...

You understand correctly, @OneAmberFinch, though it's complicated by (as we learned in various reports) the stats being either incomplete or not gathered at all

Unfortunately these are likely to be the mindsets most resistant to change and integration, and the price is paid by all - not least by other south asian communities who regret the results every bit as much as everyone else

So let the relevant community leaders call this out. Get onto main stream media. Commit to helping to put a stop to this.

Yet they are silent. Just why??

I understand why you would want the thread removed. The threat of being fast tracked through the courts, paraded in public with your address (and even your door number!) printed under your mugshot, and shoved in prison for two years for wrongthink would be enough to make anyone think twice.

And to think they told us that Orwell’s books were satire. Turns out they were how-to manuals.

You mean the "community leaders" who are running these things? Complicit in what has been going on for decades? Making sure things are covered up? How will that help?

My god, If the community leaders are part of this cover up…..Why are we so soft? Just why??? I feel really depressed about all of this. What is the answer? Is it zero tolerance? Now? No more messing around or more ‘public enquiries’?

I didn't say it was the same thing, merely that he found a way to deal with things extremely quickly in this case, implying that it is possible.

Visiting bereaved families is not literally part of the monarchs job.
What has the media got to do with it? Are you suggesting that all leaders should mainly be influenced by how they think the media will react? That's one of the ways in which they are going wrong (caring up upsetting others, being seen as being PC, and politicising everything) and you seem to think along similar lines which is a shame.
I have already discussed the other point in two points which you can read if you want to.

Please tell me this is faux naivety and you really do know how politics and the media work.

The only way it would be possible to speed up the justice process would be no jury trials, lower the presumption of guilt and change other evidential rules.

Unfortunately a trial is a lengthy and very costly process, but in Rotherham alone, currently 60 men have been sent to jail and its still rising...

The first court cases were held in 2010, whilst Starmer was DPP and allegedly, according to many on here, offering immunity to Muslim men and the investigations happened whilst Brown was sending out "Don't prosecute Muslims Memo's"

Weird that!

The labour council in Oldham seems unable to enact any change, and they certainly should not be marking their own homework by running their own review! The rape gangs were a huge issue in the area during the general election. Raja Miah (campaigner mentioned upthread) stood for election in Oldham West purely on the issue of bringing the grooming gangs to justice.
The MP for Oldham West (Jim McMahon) is reliant on the Muslim (postal) vote and wins comfortably at every election because of it. Oldham East (Debbie Abrahams) has a different demographic which is predominantly white, more high earners etc.
The leader of Oldham Council Arooj Shah is very good friends with a local gangster. She is unapologetic about this and describes him as a childhood friend, Her 'friend' was convicted of being a getaway driver for Dale Cregan after he had shot two female police officers. There have been many allegations of corruption within the LA.
Labour lost overall control of the council last year due to the war in Gaza, but that is the first time Labour's crown has wobbled in the area in a long time. George Galloway also won in neighbouring Rochdale over the same issue. The Muslim vote is very powerful in both areas and is always in Labour's favour.
JP should know all of this and should never have suggested a review to be local led.
These poor victims are never put first. Maggie Oliver has been phenomenal on this issue and one of the very few people who give these poor girls a voice.

Alexandra have you watched any of the documentary or program on all this, did you see the clips of starmer being questioned by the select committee in 2012?

It's just it's such a nuanced subject and your dominating this thread but I don't understand your point.

I think it's simply that we don't need another inquiry?

Most other posters have been sharing information etc?

Im not sure if this is MPs trying to save their skin but this is interesting from a former MP:

x.com/goodwinmj/status/1875912522965946870?s=46&t=YzcSqQzfsUng4hFEr96nxg

You are good at one thing- completely failing to grasp the main issues of importance.

@Alexandra2001 that's not the only way to speed up the judicial system.

“Officials have actively sought to hide reality from politicians and too many politicians are willing to collude. We know now we have been routinely lied to by the State and now we can no longer trust the State..”

This.

Whitehall civil servants calling the shots, never having walked down a street as a young white girl in an Asian area.

Women MP’s silenced.

Councillors more concerned with votes than women’s safety.

They can’t their eyes away any longer.

I’m good at lots of things. 😉

https://x.com/cdp1882/status/1875974467958226994?s=46&t=YzcSqQzfsUng4hFEr96nxg

An explanation by Charlie Peters for why the previous enquiry was inadequate, and local enquiries inappropriate.

Junior ministers both Conservative and Labour have spun the same lines almost word for word, clearly at the behest of Civil Servants.

Why do ministers have to do what civil servants tell them to?

They don’t, but I’m guessing Yes, Minister was more accurate than we realised.

Damning - thank you for sharing.

Quoting from the linked thread

"The final report mentions Rotherham just once in 400 pages. It only refers to Rochdale in relation to Cyril Smith, the Lib Dem MP who sexually abused young boys in the town. Telford isn’t mentioned at all."

Thank you.
I'm so sick of reading the words "we've already had an inquiry".

https://x.com/goodwinmj/status/1876021992580944030?s=46&t=YzcSqQzfsUng4hFEr96nxg

This highlights the lack of comparative coverage in news media.

This is an excellent summary of the scandal- useful to send to people who are in denial or overwhelmed with too much information.

https://www.thefp.com/p/muslim-grooming-gangs-cover-up-keir-starmer-elon-musk?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic-social

Whitehall civil servants calling the shots, never having walked down a street as a young white girl in an Asian area.

^
Yup.

They didn't go to school in the 90s, in all those depressed areas such as East Lancashire, Rochdale, Oldham, Bradford where racial tensions were incredibly high.

You told the teachers at school what the Asian lads said. We can't do anything, they said, it's seen as racist.

But white, middle class men in their 60s clearly know more about it than anyone else. Twas ever thus.