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friend ‘lodging’ gone sour

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sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

OP posts:
pictoosh · 03/01/2025 09:55

"you are no longer speaking with us, you’ve blocked us on SM presumably so you can bitch about us, I no longer see why I should house you.
I want you gone within 72 hours. Go and find some other mug."

Something like this, yes.

She is on another planet if she thinks her conduct is acceptable...if she believes she is being done a wrong. She has NO entitlement to live in your house for free. Nothing has happened to her.

Why the everliving fuck should you be made to feel uncomfortable in YOUR HOUSE?!
She's a piece of work, that is obvious.

Her behaviour has just cancelled her time frame to leave. It's now 72 hours.
Get rid of her.

LumpyandBumps · 03/01/2025 10:08

Are you concerned that she might damage your home? Do something silly like lock you out?
If so I agree with a previous poster to pack her essential belongings whilst she is out, put them somewhere safe outside and change the locks. Keep her other possessions for her and let her know that she can collect at a mutually convenient time.
If she is bitching about you on social media anyway you might as well give her something to bitch about.

maddening · 03/01/2025 10:15

I would tell her her behaviour means you are shortening the exit time by 2 weeks - she sounds awful

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 03/01/2025 10:28

I wouldn't even give her 72 hours, I would be grabbing the bitch by the hair and dragging her out of the door. Followed by throwing her stuff out of the window. You're being MUCH too soft OP. Get rid of her NOW!!

Oh, and like others, I simply can't believe that you didn't put her stuff out while she was away over Christmas. Why on earth was that?

Happywrappy · 03/01/2025 10:30

I am an absolute pushover in most circumstances. So just telling you what I’d expect my parents to say to me if I was in this situation (and they’d be right)… Get her out of YOUR home, immediately. And supervise her leaving to be sure she doesn’t claim any of your belongings.

toomuchfaff · 03/01/2025 10:52

sausagedogmumm · 03/01/2025 02:58

Sorry for the lack of replies!

She did not spend christmas with us luckily, she stayed with some other friends but has come back to finish off her weeks here with a vengeance. Currently refusing to speak to us and seemingly removed us from her social media which makes me think she’s posting about us - luckily i have friends she hasn’t thought to delete who are keeping an eye on that side of things. (they are my friends who has she met over the years but very much on our side).

My partner and I are close to shortening the time frame due to how uncomfortable the living situation now is - previously she was civil but now it is just comfortable - will check back in once this has been actioned

she won't leave. Said this in a previous post, what makes you think she will all of a sudden turn reasonable after all of this? She is showing you who she is, and that person isn't a normal person. Don't expect anything normal.

You assume a date to leave means anything to her, because it would mean something to you. She isn't you.

When she was staying with other friends, you shouldn't have let her back in, changed the locks, put her stuff o. the kerb. She has no rights, she doesn't pay you rent. She isn't a "tenant" she's a sofa surfer who outstayed.

When she leaves the house for anything, if she goes the shop, barricade the door. Get her out.

GivingitToGod · 03/01/2025 11:13

sausagedogmumm · 03/01/2025 02:58

Sorry for the lack of replies!

She did not spend christmas with us luckily, she stayed with some other friends but has come back to finish off her weeks here with a vengeance. Currently refusing to speak to us and seemingly removed us from her social media which makes me think she’s posting about us - luckily i have friends she hasn’t thought to delete who are keeping an eye on that side of things. (they are my friends who has she met over the years but very much on our side).

My partner and I are close to shortening the time frame due to how uncomfortable the living situation now is - previously she was civil but now it is just comfortable - will check back in once this has been actioned

Her behaviour beggars belief!

TwistedWonder · 03/01/2025 11:20

OP - I’m not being rude but you need to stop letting this CF treat you like a doormat and get her out your house immediately.

Every day you procrastinate she’s laughing in your face. Tell her to go to a hotel tonight and you’ll get her stuff bagged up to collect t tomorrow.

DO NOT let her spend another night under your roof.

LittlePudding1 · 03/01/2025 14:13

TwistedWonder · 03/01/2025 11:20

OP - I’m not being rude but you need to stop letting this CF treat you like a doormat and get her out your house immediately.

Every day you procrastinate she’s laughing in your face. Tell her to go to a hotel tonight and you’ll get her stuff bagged up to collect t tomorrow.

DO NOT let her spend another night under your roof.

This 100%
You're letting her treat you horrendously all while living with you rent free

AngelicKaty · 03/01/2025 15:21

XmasElfOnTheShelff · 03/01/2025 09:39

OP, just tell her to go.

in writing.

you are no longer speaking with us, you’ve blocked us on SM presumably so you can bitch about us, I no longer see why I should house you.

I want you gone within 72 hours. Go and find some other mug.

The six weeks' verbal notice that OP and her DP more than reasonably gave their house guest back in late November expires on 6th January (this coming Monday) so that would be 72 hours anyway. 😊

MeridianB · 03/01/2025 15:23

72 hours is too long. Tell her tomorrow morning that she needs to move out the same day. Not only will this mean no more atmosphere but you will be there the whole time to ensure no damage etc.

Book a locksmith for the same day ideally while she is there, so she can see you mean business.

She stayed with friends over Christmas so clearly has options.

AngelicKaty · 03/01/2025 15:29

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 03/01/2025 10:28

I wouldn't even give her 72 hours, I would be grabbing the bitch by the hair and dragging her out of the door. Followed by throwing her stuff out of the window. You're being MUCH too soft OP. Get rid of her NOW!!

Oh, and like others, I simply can't believe that you didn't put her stuff out while she was away over Christmas. Why on earth was that?

Because OP, who is clearly a caring, supportive friend, gave her (now unwanted) house guest six weeks' verbal notice in late November which is due to expire on 6th January (this coming Monday).
Personally, OP, unless you or your DP have the day off work on Monday, or one/both of you WFH, I'd be getting her out over the weekend too.

Ladybyrd · 03/01/2025 15:50

Currently refusing to speak to us and seemingly removed us from her social media which makes me think she’s posting about us - luckily i have friends she hasn’t thought to delete who are keeping an eye on that side of things. (they are my friends who has she met over the years but very much on our side).

If she refused to speak to me I'm afraid she would come be met with a change of locks and her belongings in bin bags on the street. The brass balls of the woman.

whowhatwerewhy · 03/01/2025 16:00

@AngelicKaty

Op says she gave her until the end of jan

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice)

Incenseda · 03/01/2025 16:11

I wouldn't dream of giving her more than 48 hours and I wouldn't leave her alone in the house for a moment.
She really thinks you are mugs.

AngelicKaty · 03/01/2025 16:16

@whowhatwerewhy
Sorry, yes, I totally misread her original post, I stand corrected. I thought they'd given her so long a notice period (when there was absolutely no need to do so) to allow for the Christmas period when the house guest would struggle to sort out any other accommodation because, well, everything closes for Christmas!
In this case, I'd tell her she needs to pack this weekend with a view to leaving on Monday as she's known since before Christmas she was having to leave and as others have said, I would also worry about her surreptitiously doing damage to my property that I don't discover until she's left.

AngelicKaty · 03/01/2025 16:20

@XmasElfOnTheShelff @MadnessIsMyMiddleName
Please ignore my replies to you - I totally misread OP's original post wrt the notice period. Sorry. 😊

Eldermillennial2024 · 03/01/2025 16:21

She needs to go. Tell her given that the situation has now become untenable she needs to leave by the end of next week.

Walker1178 · 03/01/2025 16:45

I managed to get into this same situation 18 months ago! DPs friend had a relationship breakdown and was suddenly homeless so we offered our spare room. He was unemployed so no rent or payments, we were happy to give him the chance to get back on his feet. Started well, he found a job and was getting his life together and then he got paid, spent it all on drugs and alcohol. Would come home every day to a nice home cooked meal with a can of cheap booze in his hand. DP asked him nicely to have some respect, didn't work so then he flipped and told him to get the fuck out of our home. Soured the friendship for a while but they're back on an even keel now.

I think you need to be hard to be kind, you're not doing your friend any favours by enabling her shitty behaviour. Stick to your proposed leaving date, getting her out and back onto her own two feet is the only real help she needs.

tornscone · 03/01/2025 18:31

If you're worried about actually getting her out of the door take her to Starbucks, get your DP to arrive shortly after with her stuff.
Don't engage or explain. You owe her nothing.

grinchalicious · 04/01/2025 04:02

I would put all her things out and tell her to go. Call the police if she gets nasty or starts threatening suicide. What a truly awful woman!

AngelicKaty · 04/01/2025 14:19

Eldermillennial2024 · 03/01/2025 16:21

She needs to go. Tell her given that the situation has now become untenable she needs to leave by the end of next week.

Absolutely. It takes a lot of cajones to live rent-free in someone's home and completely ignore them. WhoTF does she think she is?! 😡

tornscone · 04/01/2025 14:50

No. Not next week.

Today.

madmumofteens · 05/01/2025 10:27

Hope she is out soon OP she is not your friend she is horrible freeloading CF

ExceededUsefulEconomicLife · 05/01/2025 11:00

She doesn't get to be in your house and cause this shit and have the audacity not to speak to you.

There's a reason you were the only ones that would take her.

Stern words tonight - out by tomorrow. This is a problem she has created all by herself with her shit attitude.