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friend ‘lodging’ gone sour

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sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

OP posts:
femfemlicious · 29/12/2024 16:17

6 weeks is WAAAAAYYYY TOO LONG. its going to be hellish!. She will make life miserable!. Give her 2 weeks, write a letter describing everything she did wrong and give it to her to take to the council

AngelicKaty · 29/12/2024 16:36

femfemlicious · 29/12/2024 16:17

6 weeks is WAAAAAYYYY TOO LONG. its going to be hellish!. She will make life miserable!. Give her 2 weeks, write a letter describing everything she did wrong and give it to her to take to the council

PLEASE read ALL of OP's posts. OP and her DP gave six weeks' verbal notice to her "friend" around 24th November, making it clear to her that she has to leave their home by 6th January - that's just a week away now.
And if OP did "write a letter describing everything she did wrong and give it to her to take to the council" the council would likely decide her friend is "intentionally homeless" and that they have no duty to help her with housing.

SoMuchBadAdvice · 29/12/2024 16:39

AngelicKaty · 29/12/2024 16:09

No, you didn't write that. You wrote, quite plainly for all to read:
"There is no rent, no payment, no agreement. She is a trespasser. Change the front door lock - what court is going to order that she is readmitted to the property and on what basis?
Yes the situation is a clusterfuck, but trying to force a clusterfuck into some logical legal solution is only going to result in more pain. And in spite of your fine theories SS never act until no one else will."
Try adopting this maxim into your life: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

Well of course I'm wasting my own time typing to you, but I have a lot of real world experience of situations like this, whereas you just have Google.

For many years a solicitor called Tessa Shepperson has provided great Lodger advice online. OP should consult her.

AngelicKaty · 29/12/2024 16:42

SoMuchBadAdvice · 29/12/2024 16:39

Well of course I'm wasting my own time typing to you, but I have a lot of real world experience of situations like this, whereas you just have Google.

For many years a solicitor called Tessa Shepperson has provided great Lodger advice online. OP should consult her.

And yet you seem to know nothing about housing law. I also have a lot of experience in this area and advised homeless clients for 10 years - and I never used Google to research as I was trained to use reliable sources (starting with those provided by the organisation I worked for).

Overlyanxiousworrier · 29/12/2024 16:48

6 weeks is too long! You sound generous and she will know this and is completely taking advantage! Id get her out as fast as possible. Box up all her stuff outside and say that's it you're not coming back. It sounds extreme but she is freeloading and is not a friend.

SoMuchBadAdvice · 29/12/2024 16:52

AngelicKaty · 29/12/2024 16:42

And yet you seem to know nothing about housing law. I also have a lot of experience in this area and advised homeless clients for 10 years - and I never used Google to research as I was trained to use reliable sources (starting with those provided by the organisation I worked for).

Exactly.

No use in real life, & getting a real roof.

Havinganamechange · 29/12/2024 16:52

You did a really nice thing and set clear rules that have not been respected. I’m sorry but she has to go. I don’t think I would have even have been so nice as to give her six weeks notice.

Overlyanxiousworrier · 29/12/2024 16:52

Also as others have suggested, please please change the WiFi password! Make the situation less appealing for her. I guarantee she will move on.

AngelicKaty · 29/12/2024 17:03

SoMuchBadAdvice · 29/12/2024 16:52

Exactly.

No use in real life, & getting a real roof.

What? Your latest comment doesn't even make sense.
Your username is so apt though.

IamMoodyBlue · 29/12/2024 18:35

How awful that your kindness amd generosity has been abused.
You need her completely out of your lives as soon as possible.
She is in no way your responsibility and you are in no way responsible for her actions. So she's reached the threatening you stage?
Out!

TheBluntOliveHiker · 30/12/2024 08:50

I am the soft one who does this regularly. Local family with kids were given our top floor which came through local post. We as a community were told they were made homeless by rogue builders and, having had the same, took pity. Turned out they had been living with family and were able to work but closing not to. Were scamming the generosity out of everyone but my point was a solicitor got involved. She told us not to as once in they had some rights and would be difficult to remove. We avoided it by getting them to pay through air b and b a very tiny amount. This gave us rights to through them out when truth came through.
I also had a woman in need from a charity. Thought we would have a teen. Who came with a charity. Just her initially and then suddenly all her random stuff filled our room so she could barely walk in. Took a while but with the charity we got her into a flat. She also had family and savings but we hadn't known that.
I was lucky in that I made sure I had some kind of legal backing first as once in it can be hard to get rid of people. (The family who came for 6 weeks and left after 2 years - paid luckily). I'd be massively triggered by her behaviour and downright abuse of you all. Whatever means you can use to get her out. Do you know her family? Get them involved if you can and local charities. Stop calling her friend though. She's not.

sausagedogmumm · 03/01/2025 02:58

Eldermillennial2024 · 28/12/2024 21:33

Of course YANBU

How are things now?

Did she spend Christmas with you?

Sorry for the lack of replies!

She did not spend christmas with us luckily, she stayed with some other friends but has come back to finish off her weeks here with a vengeance. Currently refusing to speak to us and seemingly removed us from her social media which makes me think she’s posting about us - luckily i have friends she hasn’t thought to delete who are keeping an eye on that side of things. (they are my friends who has she met over the years but very much on our side).

My partner and I are close to shortening the time frame due to how uncomfortable the living situation now is - previously she was civil but now it is just comfortable - will check back in once this has been actioned

OP posts:
Frankbeverleyandthebutlers · 03/01/2025 03:03

Definitely shorten that time frame, that's one nasty bastard making you feel uncomfortable in your own home.
Hope it's not long before she's history.

BruFord · 03/01/2025 03:21

I’m surprised that you didn’t bag up her stuff and change the locks while she was gone, you’d have a perfect right to.

The silent treatment is probably a tactic to try and guilt you into extending her stay, but tbh, not having to talk to her is preferable. I’d be popping in my AirPods and counting the days.

Be prepared for a meltdown though when she realizes that you’re not changing your minds. Whatever she says/does, remember that none of this is your fault, she’s been a lousy guest and taken advantage of you.

tornscone · 03/01/2025 07:53

She's refusing to speak to you in your own home whilst accepting your hospitality Unbelievable!
Put her out today!

MelainesLaugh · 03/01/2025 08:22

I’d be tempted to tell her to get out now. Has she actually been job hunting for a new job?

focuspocus · 03/01/2025 08:24

tornscone · 03/01/2025 07:53

She's refusing to speak to you in your own home whilst accepting your hospitality Unbelievable!
Put her out today!

Given how she is treating you I would be getting her out this weekend. She's got both of you and your pets uncomfortable in your own home. You should not be living like this. I couldn't. I would be telling her to use today to pack and find somewhere else as tomorrow morning all her stuff is going outside. She has other friends and I bet she won't treat them like this. Make sure you have your key back/ change the locks.

Londonrach1 · 03/01/2025 08:26

She doesn't pay rent and has no rights. Just put her items in a bag and don't allow her to return. Change the locks.

pictoosh · 03/01/2025 08:39

She is giving you the silent treatment in your own house.
Her audacity is off the scale.

wineandagoodbook · 03/01/2025 08:49

If she is giving you the silent treatment and she has other friends I would be asking her to leave this weekend and then end the friendship. She has been beyond reasonable reading your posts. She should have been grateful and should have respected your house rules, you were doing her a favour and she has somehow become entitled.

What were the original circumstances in which she found herself homeless in the firstplace?

elfnumber1 · 03/01/2025 09:05

I’d get rid today. Just change the locks so she has to find somewhere else( she has other friends)
I’d give her til the end of the month to collect her stuff or you’ll get rid if it yourselves. Put it in writing.
At this stage I’d be worried she’ll cause serious damage of some sort to your home or belongings as “revenge” for asking her to leave.

Brombat · 03/01/2025 09:30

Not your friend anymore, cheeky bint. Defo ask her to leave if she can't be civil, she sounds downright stupid to annoy you more.

TwistedWonder · 03/01/2025 09:34

This one is an off the scale CF. Refusing to speak to you in your own home wtf???

Sorry OP but I think you need to tell her to go this weekend and if she doesn’t you’ll bag up her stuff, put it in the street and change the locks.

How can some people be so brazenly shameless?

XmasElfOnTheShelff · 03/01/2025 09:39

OP, just tell her to go.

in writing.

you are no longer speaking with us, you’ve blocked us on SM presumably so you can bitch about us, I no longer see why I should house you.

I want you gone within 72 hours. Go and find some other mug.

XmasElfOnTheShelff · 03/01/2025 09:40

elfnumber1 · 03/01/2025 09:05

I’d get rid today. Just change the locks so she has to find somewhere else( she has other friends)
I’d give her til the end of the month to collect her stuff or you’ll get rid if it yourselves. Put it in writing.
At this stage I’d be worried she’ll cause serious damage of some sort to your home or belongings as “revenge” for asking her to leave.

Absolutely. She will do something awful to the house next. Cat pee, poop or similar.