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To talk to my SIL / best friend about her reaction to my pregnancy?

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almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 13:42

I met my SIL (my husband’s sister) before I met him—we were really close friends at uni. Later, I got to know her brother (now my DH) when he came to visit her. SIL was super supportive of our relationship when it got serious—she even helped plan and execute his proposal. At the time, she was hoping her own boyfriend would propose, but instead, he broke up with her out of the blue.

When we had our first baby, SIL was amazing. She took time off work to help after DH’s paternity leave ended and was the most loving, hands-on aunt. I honestly couldn’t have managed without her. Over time, though, things changed. She put on weight, went on less dates, talked about being sad and bitter about being single, and lost confidence in dating. She stopped coming out much and pulled back from our friendship, which I really missed.

When we had our second baby, she wasn’t as involved. I totally understood: she didn’t owe us anything, and I was still so grateful for her help the first time. We tried to keep including her in fun stuff, like family dinners or trips to places we knew she’d enjoy, but we didn’t want to push her. She started declining invites that included the whole family (ie me, DH, kids) but would meet DH or me one on one sometimes. At a friend’s wedding (DH wasn’t there as he was watching the kids), after a few drinks, she admitted she’s still heartbroken over her breakup and scared she’ll never meet someone or have kids, that she finds spending time with her niblings or seeing her parents as grandparents feels triggering. It was really sad to hear, and I’ve tried to be sensitive to how hard this must be for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re spending Christmas with DH’s family, including SIL. We announced we’re expecting another baby (the third in four years) very soon after arriving because I’ve started showing super early, and she didn’t take it well. After the announcement, she made a couple of awkward comments, like, “Your poor vag, she’s been through a lot haha” and, “Why have them so close together? Don’t you feel bad for the older ones missing out on time with you?” Since then, she’s been really short with me, not outright rude, but sarcastic or blunt, and it’s hurtful. Worse, she’s been cold towards the kids, which breaks my heart because they adore her and keep trying to get her attention, only to be shrugged off.

I don’t know what to do. I hate the idea of losing her - we were so close, and I get where her sadness is coming from. But at the same time, this distance and tension are really hard, and I don’t want it to affect the kids either. Should I say something to her? How would you handle it?

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DumplingsMakeMeSmile · 24/12/2024 13:46

She sounds really sad and probably feels left behind while her best friend and brother are living a beautiful life.

Her behaviour isn't nice, but I think she is in a lot of pain. I wouldn't say anything and just give her space and try and find time to spend with her without the kids if you can.

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 13:47

Just to add - his parents are very happy for us and supportive but don't seem to be addressing the comments.
I've spoken to DH and he is equally unsure of what to say anything to her, if anything, but is happy to say whatever I need him to say.

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TooManyNiblings · 24/12/2024 13:49

I think you are being too hard on her. In a 'normal' friendship you would have drifted apart years ago. She is stuck with you as her brother's wife, and I think you need to reframe your relationship as such.

Bearhunt468 · 24/12/2024 13:49

I think based on what she had told you, you could have messaged her before arrival. I know she hasn't suffered with infertility etc but she is clearly struggling and therefore maybe would have been kinder to give her time to "grieve" what she doesn't have. (Not to say your pregnancies should cause that but being around a pregnant woman may just be alot for her).

When her brother and best friend got together, she probably had visions of her and her partner and you guys being really good friends, kids growing up together as cousins etc etc. it probably feels more raw for her around Xmas too.

I think just try to give her some space, but if she makes nasty comment again just say I'm sorry that our news is upsetting you, and we never want to cause you pain but it isn't acceptable to make comments like that to me. She may not realise how sarky she is coming across.

Hankunamatata · 24/12/2024 13:49

You know own she is really sad abut being single and not having children. Bit tactless to not give her the heads up first.

Mrsttcno1 · 24/12/2024 13:49

Congratulations! I think I’d do whatever you have to do to get through Christmas and after that put some much needed distance there- for all of you.

You’re excited about your pregnancy, rightfully so, and that’s amazing for you and your family but I can also see why it is upsetting for her. One of my friends was in SIL’s position a few years ago and she always found Christmas difficult, seeing all of the families on social media/TV/real life, meeting up with family and see her parents as grandparents and spending time with her sibling’s family & kids was really bittersweet and hard for her. Neither of you are particularly in the wrong, although I do think considering you know how SIL feels you could have sent a text beforehand to let everyone know about your pregnancy so she had some time to reflect and decide if she wanted to spend her Christmas that way.

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 13:50

DumplingsMakeMeSmile · 24/12/2024 13:46

She sounds really sad and probably feels left behind while her best friend and brother are living a beautiful life.

Her behaviour isn't nice, but I think she is in a lot of pain. I wouldn't say anything and just give her space and try and find time to spend with her without the kids if you can.

I agree... in no way do I want it to be confrontational or to blame her. I am so so grateful for how she was when I had my first. I just don't know what to do, I don't want this to cause a huge family drama, I don't want to lose my best friend, I don't want her to be isolated from her best friend and her brother... so many things.

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Greenqueen40 · 24/12/2024 13:50

I think you need to be really understanding about all this, Christmas and New Year is a terrible time to feel lonely. Try and do something with just her and if she doesn't seem interested then try and keep the children away from her or otherwise occupied - I know this is hard to do but it is manageable. Also don't go on about this pregnancy, tread lightly.

Bearhunt468 · 24/12/2024 13:52

You can even say oh aunty xxx isnt feeling herself today - let's go do x,y,z together.

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 13:53

@Bearhunt468 you're right, we should have messaged... I don't know why we didn't think of that, I guess lots of excuses like we've been too busy trying to get all organised before Xmas, packed, looking after 2 tiny ones, visiting my family. But really we should have thought of it.
I absolutely don't want it to turn into an argument or a long term thing.
For the next baby (fingers crossed) will announce before.

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Christmaslover1986 · 24/12/2024 13:53

I get both sides.

You have every right to enjoy your beautiful life and 3 babies, SIL has every right to feel sad that she hasn’t met the “one” and had the chance to have children yet.

What SIL is going through is feeling jealous and left behind from other peoples lives that seem to be going on with marriages and babies.

I feel it’s a bit naive on your part to not see how it must be a massive blow for her to be told around Christmas you’re having your 3rd baby whilst she has none. I would have personally text or called her beforehand so it wasn’t so much of a surprise / shock.

Maybe you can talk to her and just explain that you’re here for her no matter what and do not want to let situations change the friendship that you have BUT if she needs some space - it’s totally fine.

ObtuseMoose · 24/12/2024 13:54

Over time, though, things changed. She put on weight
Not sure how this is relevant.
She sounds like she's feeling left behind and struggling with that. Does she have other good friends apart from you? Being friends and SIL would be too much for most people.

Christmaslover1986 · 24/12/2024 13:55

Adding to my comment I have been on both sides,

I’ve been the jealous best friend that has cried inside at every pregnancy announcement whilst going through losses and I’ve been the friend who’s been pregnant and had to be sensitive around friends who are feeling behind in life or struggling with infertility x

Brombat · 24/12/2024 13:55

Lot of trigger stacking there...

I don't think you need to put up with rudeness but maybe give her the space and let her resolve (or not) her issues.

owlexpress · 24/12/2024 13:55

She's been short with you after you were incredibly insensitive and you find it hurtful? Gosh, poor you...

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 13:56

Greenqueen40 · 24/12/2024 13:50

I think you need to be really understanding about all this, Christmas and New Year is a terrible time to feel lonely. Try and do something with just her and if she doesn't seem interested then try and keep the children away from her or otherwise occupied - I know this is hard to do but it is manageable. Also don't go on about this pregnancy, tread lightly.

I've not mentioned the pregnancy (for that exact reason) except to announce it and then have the conversation that followed, because otherwise it would be even more awkward - I look a little pregnant and not mentioning it would make it the elephant in the room.

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Christmaslover1986 · 24/12/2024 13:56

owlexpress · 24/12/2024 13:55

She's been short with you after you were incredibly insensitive and you find it hurtful? Gosh, poor you...

I think OP needs to speak to her friend and explain she should of contacted her beforehand to let her know she was going to announce her 3rd pregnancy over Christmas and let friend / SIL know she’s there for her no matter what and doesn’t want to lose their bond but appreciates SIL needs some space

Bearhunt468 · 24/12/2024 13:57

@almostthreedeep maybe you could ask her if she wants to go for a walk just you two. Make up coffee in a flasks, leave the kids with DH and for for a wander. You can be honest and say you hadn't appreciated how she might be feeling, you wished you had given her warning, that you love her and will always be there for her, but understand how hard things are for her. You can say that you understand her comments are coming from her emotions but to please not continue as it's hurtful for you when you are just living your life.

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 13:59

ObtuseMoose · 24/12/2024 13:54

Over time, though, things changed. She put on weight
Not sure how this is relevant.
She sounds like she's feeling left behind and struggling with that. Does she have other good friends apart from you? Being friends and SIL would be too much for most people.

From what I know I was / am her closest friend. she still refers to me as a best friend, but there are other friends too for sure!

It's relevant because she's gone from a girl who is keen to find a man, get married, puts effort into her appearance and dates to not putting in much effort at all. She doesn't look after herself like she used to, doesn't want to go on dates, which naturally makes it harder to meet a man

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mummabubs · 24/12/2024 13:59

TooManyNiblings · 24/12/2024 13:49

I think you are being too hard on her. In a 'normal' friendship you would have drifted apart years ago. She is stuck with you as her brother's wife, and I think you need to reframe your relationship as such.

Yeah, there's wisdom in this. If she was 'just' your best friend she'd have likely distanced herself from you a few years ago and the relationship would naturally have fizzled out. But she doesn't have the option to do that, which I imagine is very hard for her.

Her comments sound insensitive and I can see why they feel unsupportive/ hurtful. I think your best bet is to try and accept that it's too painful for her to show the support that you want at this time and recognise where her comments have come from (pain as opposed to malice). Your 'happy news' is unfortunately her 'sad news'.

Jellycats4life · 24/12/2024 14:00

TooManyNiblings · 24/12/2024 13:49

I think you are being too hard on her. In a 'normal' friendship you would have drifted apart years ago. She is stuck with you as her brother's wife, and I think you need to reframe your relationship as such.

I think this is very true. It must be very strange when your friend marries your brother. Most people keep their university friendships and their families separate, so it has to be a head fuck when a friend becomes an integral part of your family and then usurps everything you ever wanted in life.

ObtuseMoose · 24/12/2024 14:00

It's relevant because she's gone from a girl who is keen to find a man, get married, puts effort into her appearance and dates to not putting in much effort at all. She doesn't look after herself like she used to, doesn't want to go on dates, which naturally makes it harder to meet a man

Good grief, are you really her friend?

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 14:01

ObtuseMoose · 24/12/2024 14:00

It's relevant because she's gone from a girl who is keen to find a man, get married, puts effort into her appearance and dates to not putting in much effort at all. She doesn't look after herself like she used to, doesn't want to go on dates, which naturally makes it harder to meet a man

Good grief, are you really her friend?

These are literally things she says about herself

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wobbledobbleflobble2 · 24/12/2024 14:02

You've tried to be sensitive to how hard this must be for her.

You've also "announced" your pregnancy in person, with other family around, at Christmas, when she can't escape from you or your children and is surrounded by people who are thrilled at your news and want to talk about it.

almostthreedeep · 24/12/2024 14:05

@Jellycats4life
For some context, I didn't just jump right into marrying her brother. At the start it was him messaging me (found me via her social media), and SIL and I thinking this is just a bit of a joke, won't go far. She said she didn't mind if I go on a date with her brother as we both thought it would quickly fizzle out due to distance. She was also very encouraging and enthusiastic when it didn't fizzle out.

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