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To stipulate minimum number of nights at home for DD?

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:48

DD turned 18 a few months ago. Her 18th birthday coincided with her meeting a new boyfriend who she is inseparable from. She spends around 1-3 nights per fortnight at home, and that's only to sleep / occasionally grab food or a shower. She doesn't converse with anyone (unless to ask for lifts or to borrow cash), and she certainly doesn't do any housework. Since this time there have been numerous issues and arguments; mostly around the following themes:

  • constant requests for lifts from me or partner (although this has declined since her boyfriend passed his driving test a few weeks ago as he's seemingly the taxi now)
  • never doing any housework
  • never being at home long enough to converse with anyone and all her interactions being requests for something
  • letting me and her little sister down after agreeing to do something with us and then dropping us in favour of the boyfriend (little sister is only 3 so doesn't understand and gets very upset about her big sister not being there)
  • more recently me and my partner (her step dad) we're both told to "fuck off" when we were unable to facilitate a lift whilst juggling bedtime and household tasks between us after work one evening (she later apologised for this; but it's left a very sour taste)
  • boyfriend got involved in disagreement following the above incident, and whilst I was the on the phone to her during a heated discussion about that, I was apparently on loudspeaker as I could hear the boyfriend chirping up "just hang up on her" (to my daughter about me)

I'm at my wits end and I can't take anymore. I've contact the GP for some medication to take the edge off because I feel so low and as though I've basically lost my daughter. I've tried telling her miss her, I'm sad about it all, I want her to spend more time at home, etc. She still doesn't. All I get from her is, "it's normal for me to want to be at his house more often he's a new boyfriend". However, she makes time for her dad, her dad's side of the family, my sister (her aunt who's she close to), her friends, and her boyfriend. The only person she lets down and seems to not want to be around is me.

She pays no board (she's at college and works part time earning only about £70-100 a week so I've never taken any money off her). I pay for her phone contract. She doesn't contribute to the food shop here but does buy her own takeaways etc . Her only regular bill is a gym membership.

I've suggested to her since she appears to not live here anymore that she moves out and pays her boyfriends mum board? The response was "I don't want to move out". But 1-3 nights here a fortnight on average would suggest she pretty much has moved out. She has the largest room in the house and it's just wasted space, it's never occupied.

My AIBU is, would I be unreasonable to stipulate that if she wants to continue to live here that I put in place the following rules:

1- she actually occupies her room more regularly than 1-3 times a fortnight? So set a minimum number.
2- she pulls her weight with household tasks and until I see her doing so on a regular basis without any prompting or nagging, I will charge her board. I will stop charging board once she pulls her weight regularly.

Does this sound reasonable? My head is a total mess with it all, I'm struggling to disentangle the emotion from the practical side, so it may come across as garbled. I'm not a good place with it all tbh as I feel so lost and as though she just dislikes me for some reason 😔

Any help appreciated.

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:48

God that's long I'm sorry, also think I've missed stuff out so happy to answer if there's things that are unclear

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yeesh · 09/12/2024 08:51

i would be wary that those rules would just push her to move in with her boyfriend which would be the last thing I would want at such a young age

Soontobe60 · 09/12/2024 08:51

No, it doesn’t sound reasonable. If she’s not at home, why should she do chores? She’s 18, of course she wants to spend all her spare time with her BF - thats totally normal! You’re going to push her away if you keep on at her.

BeMintBee · 09/12/2024 08:52

Other than the constant requests and wanting lifts I’m not really sure she is doing much wrong tbh. Is she working or at college? If she works full time she should be paying some rent and she needs to learn to drive.

Other than that I think it’s pretty normal for an 18 year old to not be home that much (I rarely was).

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:53

Thanks for the input.

Just to say - I said to her very clearly if you want to move out that absolutely fine, but her response was "I don't, I want to stay at home". Which she never is, so that's mixed messages.

Also, she's using the bathroom and the shower on a regular basis, so she should be helping to clean that surely?

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harriethoyle · 09/12/2024 08:53

Move her to the smallest room on the basis that she’s there the least. She can’t really complain about that…

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:54

@harriethoyle
Yes I did say to her that she's never here and occupying the largest space so it's not ideal as it feels like wasted space that we could better use.

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:55

@BeMintBee
Yes she's at college doing A levels, working part time (think I said that in my OP)

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dinmin · 09/12/2024 08:55

Tell her that from January she’s in the smallest room and paying £25 a week plus 2 of a choice of a list of 5 chores, or whatever. If she actually turns up and does the chores then she can have £10 back. Or something…

that or she can go!

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:55

yeesh · 09/12/2024 08:51

i would be wary that those rules would just push her to move in with her boyfriend which would be the last thing I would want at such a young age

She's pretty much doing that anyway though? She's never here.

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Berga · 09/12/2024 08:56

She sounds like a pretty normal 18 year old, although I wouldn't tolerate being told to fuck off by anyone.

It's kind of her job to break away from you at this age. It's painful, and you need to learn to respect and care for each other in a different way, but it is part of the process. Be wary of pushing her out of the nest with her first boyfriend.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 09/12/2024 08:57

She possibly feels quite pushed out that you’ve got a new partner and new child. How were relations before the boyfriend came along? Is it possible she’s feeling like an outsider in your family?

Spookyspookie · 09/12/2024 08:57

YABU

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:59

@Berga
Yes being told to fuck off is entirely out of character for her and her attitude has changed completely since meeting this boyfriend. Obviously when I point that out to her I'm in the wrong, so it's pointless trying to discuss that.

I don't see how I am pushing her away? I'm constantly asking her to spend a bit of time with me at home, she says "yeah I'll be there on x night", then just isn't. What more can I do? She won't allow me to have any type of relationship with her.

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TickingAlongNicely · 09/12/2024 09:00

Doing a levels... so technically a school child still?
You can't charge a child still at school board. She is legally your dependent.

Sushu · 09/12/2024 09:00

YABU but I’d tell her you expect decent manners. She should also clean and tidy the bathroom after each use.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:00

YaWeeFurryBastard · 09/12/2024 08:57

She possibly feels quite pushed out that you’ve got a new partner and new child. How were relations before the boyfriend came along? Is it possible she’s feeling like an outsider in your family?

No I don't think that's the case, and further evidence against this is the fact that her dad has 2 half siblings who arrived some time before my youngest - and she is very close with her dad and spends time with him often. She has never told him to fuck off to my knowledge and she spends time there because she wants to.

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:00

TickingAlongNicely · 09/12/2024 09:00

Doing a levels... so technically a school child still?
You can't charge a child still at school board. She is legally your dependent.

She's 18??

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Sushu · 09/12/2024 09:01

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:00

She's 18??

Oh come on! She’s still young.
Give her a break.

She needs to adjust her attitude, be polite and clean and tidy but she doesn’t owe you a day out.

Janpoppy · 09/12/2024 09:02

Regardless of whether she has a boyfriend or not it is reasonable to have some agreement about her contributions to the household. If she was flatting she would need to pay rent and contribute to housework even if she wasn't there most nights. If she had her own place she'd be paying all the rent and doing all the housework, so it's just a part of being an adult and having a roof over your head.

Since you've not done this already, I'd start with negotiating some minimal expectation (housework task/cooking that she is willing/happy to do) that will be easy for her to adhere to, and point out the benefits she is receiving in return. Even if she is reluctant, her adherence to this new expectation at least indicates to her that your relationship with her is not a one-way street, which in my view it shouldn't be with an 18 year old.

TickingAlongNicely · 09/12/2024 09:02

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:00

She's 18??

You can still claim child benefit for her for example if she's in full time education.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:03

@Sushu thanks that's very helpful to a mum at her wits end seeking medication from the Gp. Glad you popped along.

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BeMintBee · 09/12/2024 09:03

So when my ds turned 18 I expected him to find his own personal expenses such as phone. He had to do his own laundry and ironing and clear up any mess he make in “communal areas”.

I still think you are unreasonable about wanting her to be home to spend time with you a set amount of nights a week and if your viewing not wanting to fully move out but being out a lot as “mixed messages” it sounds like you have really lost reasonable thought on this. I’m not surprised you are arguing so much.

Mine are a bit older now and actually I find they are reaching out more and in some ways we are a lot closer than the teen years. I think they do come back to you but you have to let them go a bit at this age (even when they are using your house like a hotel!).

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:03

@Janpoppy
Thank you for some considered and helpful input

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RaspberryBeretxx · 09/12/2024 09:05

I think if new bf is the issue, I’d not want to push her towards him. I think I’d say she can stay till end of a levels (assuming she takes them in 2025) then reassess. As it gets towards her exams she may end up spending more time at home naturally. I’d focus support towards encouraging her to study. Another few months of her having the biggest room won’t make too much difference. She may end up splitting with the bf anyway.

Id double down on the fact you can only do a lift if it’s doable or arranged in advance. No rudeness if it’s not doable.