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AIBU?

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To want to double barrel DD’s surname?

219 replies

FestiveGoat · 29/11/2024 18:51

ExH and I divorced 6 years ago. When DD was born we gave her our (his) surname. After divorce I reverted to my maiden name. DD is now 8 and I want to change her surname from “ExHName” to “ExHName-MyName”

AIBU?

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 19:42

coffeesaveslives · 30/11/2024 19:37

So maybe she's a bit more savvy now. Maybe she regrets allowing herself to be steamrollered. Maybe she couldn't afford her own solicitor.

That may all be true - but you can't always change your regrets, sometimes you just have to learn to live with them.

On an emotional level, I get it - she doesn't want that constant reminder in black and white every time she fills out a form, but for me, it wouldn't be worth the inevitable upset between her and her ex, and potentially her ex and their joint DD, who needs to be the main priority here.

She sees her dad regularly (three times a week) so he's hardly absent in her life. I really don't think it's fair to potentially rock the boat on a relationship between a little girl and her dad over a surname.

Well, she probably CAN change this, if she's willing to go to court and pay for it.

An 8 year old is old enough to express an opinion, IMO.

coffeesaveslives · 30/11/2024 19:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 19:42

Well, she probably CAN change this, if she's willing to go to court and pay for it.

An 8 year old is old enough to express an opinion, IMO.

Well, there's a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

8yo's have a lot of opinions but that doesn't mean they have any weighting on what adults decide to do.

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 20:02

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 19:42

Well, she probably CAN change this, if she's willing to go to court and pay for it.

An 8 year old is old enough to express an opinion, IMO.

If it’s their own opinion and not one that they have been emotionally manipulated into. Look at OPs post re. how she went about asking her daughter for her opinion.

coffeesaveslives · 30/11/2024 20:07

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 20:02

If it’s their own opinion and not one that they have been emotionally manipulated into. Look at OPs post re. how she went about asking her daughter for her opinion.

Yep, that's the point I was trying to make really.

Her "opinion" is hugely influenced by her mother who is, in turn, using a connection with "nanny and pops" to try and get her way. In that context, there's no way an 8 year old child is able to make an independent, considered decision.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:33

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 20:02

If it’s their own opinion and not one that they have been emotionally manipulated into. Look at OPs post re. how she went about asking her daughter for her opinion.

Well how would you have gone about it?

If the only answer is that you wouldn't have done, because even asking the question is manipulative, then that's not very helpful, is it?

StandingSideBySide · 30/11/2024 21:39

I’d get legal advice and pursue it in the courts especially if you find your exH name triggering.

Otherwise leave it to your daughter to decide on once she’s an adult.

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 21:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:33

Well how would you have gone about it?

If the only answer is that you wouldn't have done, because even asking the question is manipulative, then that's not very helpful, is it?

Sorry I can’t help you then 😆 because my only honest answer is that I’d leave my 8 year old alone with the identity she has known for 8 years and not try to emotionally manipulate her because I regret my relationship with her father. I’d also get some therapy for me ASAP if seeing my kids name written on a school project was triggering me that much.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:56

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 21:55

Sorry I can’t help you then 😆 because my only honest answer is that I’d leave my 8 year old alone with the identity she has known for 8 years and not try to emotionally manipulate her because I regret my relationship with her father. I’d also get some therapy for me ASAP if seeing my kids name written on a school project was triggering me that much.

So, her daughter actually wanting to change her name is not within the realms of possibility, as far as you're concerned?

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 22:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 21:56

So, her daughter actually wanting to change her name is not within the realms of possibility, as far as you're concerned?

Well we will never know because she’s been emotionally manipulated and, given Mum’s behaviour at school etc, is probably 100% aware that Mum hates her name and any association with her Dad.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 22:05

adviceneeded1990 · 30/11/2024 22:01

Well we will never know because she’s been emotionally manipulated and, given Mum’s behaviour at school etc, is probably 100% aware that Mum hates her name and any association with her Dad.

I guess we will never know, no. But if the child says she wants to change her name then that's the best information available. If the OP does go to court then the judge will make a decision based on what they think is in the child's best interests.

What the OP should have done was get a court order about changing her DD's name as part of the divorce proceedings. Since her ex wasn't willing to agree to it amiably I would say his feelings about her doing it now can safely be ignored.

StormingNorman · 30/11/2024 22:14

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/11/2024 22:05

I guess we will never know, no. But if the child says she wants to change her name then that's the best information available. If the OP does go to court then the judge will make a decision based on what they think is in the child's best interests.

What the OP should have done was get a court order about changing her DD's name as part of the divorce proceedings. Since her ex wasn't willing to agree to it amiably I would say his feelings about her doing it now can safely be ignored.

@FestiveGoat could stop acting weird around DD’s surname, never bring up surname conversations, and wait to see if DD raises it unprompted. That’s how we’ll know what the girl at the heart of all this wants. If she doesn’t ever raise the issue, she doesn’t care about the name change.

Byebyechicken · 30/11/2024 22:16

When a child is born, parents choose the forename and the surname that the child will be known by. It becomes the child's name. All this tosh about the surname reminding the parent of their ex is because the parent associates that name with the XP. It is the child's name!!

If you want to change your child's name because you can't bear how it reminds you of your ex, how do you cope with the characteristics your child shares with your ex? What about their forename? Did you choose that together? Was that your ex's suggestion? Why not change that too? Why do people always want to change the surname?
Is it because you associate the first name as the child's name, but the surname belongs to your ex in your mind?

My mother divorced my father and decided my sister & I were to be 'known as' my step father's surname, since my father would never have agreed to it. When my NI number came through for myself and my sister, we were named on them by our step fathers surname. There were never any deed poll changes. It shouldn't have happened but it did. It has caused me no end of issues, from sorting car insurance to opening bank accounts.
It continues to cause me issues many decades later!
I can't use my driving licence as photo ID for anything really, further education, to vote, I have to get one time codes to verify my car insurance. Those are just a few issues. It crops up regularly!!!
When your birth certificate doesn't match your official name, it causes problems!!
All to be named after a man my mother is long divorced from!!

When I had my DC, I swore I would never change their names. My children have their fathers surname. It is their name! Why would I change it?
My children don't give a shit that they have the same surname as their father. They recognise it as their name!
What is the purpose of changing a name after 8 years? * *
If you had wanted your child to have a different name, the time to decide that was 8 years ago!!

Opleez · 30/11/2024 22:37

coffeesaveslives · 30/11/2024 19:32

OP's ex sees their DD three days a week, so close to 50% - that's hardly nothing, is it?

Didn’t say it was nothing - pointed out it’s not as much, which is factually accurate.

Nearly 50/50, seems more than fair that names are 50/50.

Unless it’s more important to uphold the patriarchy than be fair?

Opleez · 30/11/2024 22:42

coffeesaveslives · 30/11/2024 19:49

Well, there's a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

8yo's have a lot of opinions but that doesn't mean they have any weighting on what adults decide to do.

an adult and a child want to change it, 1 adult doesn’t. But he gets his way because…he is a man?

You think the status quo should be maintained just because? Have you ever heard of the sunk cost fallacy? Or the phrase throwing good money after bad? How about cutting your losses?

Opleez · 30/11/2024 22:46

StormingNorman · 30/11/2024 22:14

@FestiveGoat could stop acting weird around DD’s surname, never bring up surname conversations, and wait to see if DD raises it unprompted. That’s how we’ll know what the girl at the heart of all this wants. If she doesn’t ever raise the issue, she doesn’t care about the name change.

If she doesn’t care about the name change, why would doing it have such a negative effect on her ‘identity’? It can’t be both.

StormingNorman · 30/11/2024 22:50

Opleez · 30/11/2024 22:46

If she doesn’t care about the name change, why would doing it have such a negative effect on her ‘identity’? It can’t be both.

Let me change my word: if she doesn’t mention it, she doesn’t want the name change.

HTH.

StormingNorman · 30/11/2024 22:53

Opleez · 30/11/2024 22:46

If she doesn’t care about the name change, why would doing it have such a negative effect on her ‘identity’? It can’t be both.

Just to add, I think you’re confusing me with another poster because I haven’t said the name change would have a negative effect or spoken about an ‘identity’.

I actually suggested a way OP could go about about changing the name. What makes me uncomfortable, is that OP is motivated by her bitterness towards her ex and the child is not a pawn of OP to use to excise her hurt.

Opleez · 30/11/2024 22:57

StormingNorman · 30/11/2024 22:53

Just to add, I think you’re confusing me with another poster because I haven’t said the name change would have a negative effect or spoken about an ‘identity’.

I actually suggested a way OP could go about about changing the name. What makes me uncomfortable, is that OP is motivated by her bitterness towards her ex and the child is not a pawn of OP to use to excise her hurt.

Edited

I think I am. Sorry about that

AnotherEmma · 30/11/2024 23:15

Byebyechicken · 30/11/2024 22:16

When a child is born, parents choose the forename and the surname that the child will be known by. It becomes the child's name. All this tosh about the surname reminding the parent of their ex is because the parent associates that name with the XP. It is the child's name!!

If you want to change your child's name because you can't bear how it reminds you of your ex, how do you cope with the characteristics your child shares with your ex? What about their forename? Did you choose that together? Was that your ex's suggestion? Why not change that too? Why do people always want to change the surname?
Is it because you associate the first name as the child's name, but the surname belongs to your ex in your mind?

My mother divorced my father and decided my sister & I were to be 'known as' my step father's surname, since my father would never have agreed to it. When my NI number came through for myself and my sister, we were named on them by our step fathers surname. There were never any deed poll changes. It shouldn't have happened but it did. It has caused me no end of issues, from sorting car insurance to opening bank accounts.
It continues to cause me issues many decades later!
I can't use my driving licence as photo ID for anything really, further education, to vote, I have to get one time codes to verify my car insurance. Those are just a few issues. It crops up regularly!!!
When your birth certificate doesn't match your official name, it causes problems!!
All to be named after a man my mother is long divorced from!!

When I had my DC, I swore I would never change their names. My children have their fathers surname. It is their name! Why would I change it?
My children don't give a shit that they have the same surname as their father. They recognise it as their name!
What is the purpose of changing a name after 8 years? * *
If you had wanted your child to have a different name, the time to decide that was 8 years ago!!

"When your birth certificate doesn't match your official name, it causes problems!!
All to be named after a man my mother is long divorced from!!"

My mum did that too. I actually changed it when I got married - even though I feel very strongly that women should keep their names - because I decided I'd much prefer to have my DH's surname than the surname of my ex stepfather. I did keep my dad's surname though (I'm double-barrelled, which apparently makes me "one of those" according to some PPs! Hmm)

It stops with me though. I insisted on giving my surname to my kids, they have both surnames and we will never change their surnames even if we get divorced. I might remove DH's surname from mine but would still share half a surname with my kids. And would be very unlikely to remarry - but would keep my name if I did.

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