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DH accidentally hit DD(7) and left a mark. Do we tell the school what happend?

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N0b0dyhere · 17/10/2024 21:14

Firstly, this truly was an accident. We are both very against physical punishments. He was extremely apologetic to DD when it happened and he feels extremely guilty. She is okay, just a bit shaken and says it stings.

DD(7) is autistic and was having a very big meltdown. During these she can become violent and she was trying to hit us with anything she could find. DH went to slap one of the objects away and accidently caught her instead, hard enough to leave the raised imprint of 3 of his fingers.

We want to get ahead of this by telling the teacher about the incident as it'll likely be seen in PE. But will it be reported? They are fully aware of DD's meltdowns and are trying to support as much as they can but just looking at the mark from an outside perspective I'd probably think the worst.

OP posts:
Noras · 19/10/2024 06:13

My son would be quite aggressive when little and indeed head butted me on the nose and also covered me with bruises.
i called it ‘child abuse’ when the child abused the adult. Often I was in tears as it hurt. A 7 year old child can really hurt an adult.

My instincts were to grab DS from behind and lock him into a deep hug and rock him. The deep pressure worked for him. He was usually overwhelmed by it all and once deep hugged would fall asleep.

When he got older and if he chucked heavy stuff I would not engage but observe from a safe distance. I remember him chucking garden furniture around.

As an adult he has been trained to re regulate himself -‘it can get better.

You need to understand the triggers before it gets to a meltdown. Also there is usually a sign that an eruption is coming so move to a safe place where there is less chance of harm.

It is very hard and exhausting and you might need to get respite.

SassK · 19/10/2024 08:47

Londonwriter · 19/10/2024 02:05

I wish people who didn't know anything about 'autistic' and 'very big meltdown' (literally, second paragraph of the OP original post) wouldn't keep turning up on this thread like clueless tourists.

About half of them contribute stupid advice and the other half are like "not enough posters are humiliating their own DC by describing their autistic meltdowns in nauseating detail, so I don't understand why the OP's DH wasn't inexplicably beating up a 7 year old. Its your job, other posters on this thread, to educate me."

If you don't have a DC who has 'very big autistic meltdowns', please go back and read @EilonwyWithRedGoldHair's post and decide if you have anything to contribute. You probably don't 🤔

Just to explain, autism is associated with differences in sensory processing, and some DCs can get overwhelmed very easily - literally their fight/flight reflexes trigger. This can lead to some DCs lashing out in a blind panic, as if in a fight to the death - it's not 'a temper' anymore than dogs fighting have 'a temper'.

Needless to say, if you've ever had your dog viciously attacked by another dog, offering the dogs a tasty treat doesn't work and, sure thing, bring your custom fat suit to put your dog into... I'll wait (with an ambulance on standby). In fact, if your whippet gets savaged by a bichon frise, you can always wade in mid-fight to slip the bichon into a hot dog costume, your whippet into a superman costume, and then put on an adult bee suit yourself - fun for all the family🙄

I'll unwatch this thread now, before I have an aneurysm from all the stupid.

The OP did not describe her daughter lashing out in a blind panic! She described her husband lashing out.

You seem to be of the belief that the (any) parent of an autistic child can never be guilty of overstepping the mark (even when they've freely admitted they did), which is frankly an appalling position to take.

The tone of (pretty much all) your replies leaves much to be desired. Name calling 'twerps' stupid etc seems to be your default - it's perhaps worth reflecting on that.

Bowies · 19/10/2024 10:45

I think you handled it well OP. I can’t believe some PP were telling you to keep her off school until the mark faded, that would actually be a form of abuse in its own right and likely cause her to internalise it as punishment. I hope those PP are not parents or they need to wobble their own heads.

If anything it will help highlight how the behaviour is impacting and prioritise the need for support.

Noras · 19/10/2024 11:57

My biggest regret was not getting respite when my son was younger I should have photographed my bruises and said I needed time out. No one can exaggerate how it feels as a 7 or 8 year old wallops you. It’s really unpleasant and all you can do is defend yourself or take preemptive action. However you can’t control the environment around you that fuel the outbursts.

Get a social worker ASAP! It’s a positive and get direct payments. Are you getting carers or DLA? Use it to get time off but you might have to use an older person or an agency.

See this as a positive to get help as she is only bring to try bigger.

Lots of people can be critical but as someone who had to take my shoes off and drop bag to chase after a 10 year old across an expanse of green I feel for you. I also experienced wetting myself because my son freaked out about me leaving him to go to the toilet and at aged 10 he was too big to go in the ladies or disabled toilet with me.

Being persistently whacked it is really painful.

You can be trained in all the strategies but it still not 100% controllable.

The child is still the innocent in all this but I could imagine deflecting and in the process accidentally hurting the child - did not happen to me but push n someone off you for eg could result in finger marks.

Overall my child had an excellent attendance record and behaviour record at school but as he got older we all had to deal with the head banging and the anger etc.

1 I learnt to ensure kid was safe and then walked away

2 Once away do controlled breathing or just have a scream

3 If the child is a harm threat do learn deep pressure if your child responds to that.

4 Try to cut it off at the pass eg as soon as you get to see the signs. It’s better not to have the break down eg ensure not too tired, not hungry, not overstimulated or in a sensory healthy environment.

5 Keep a diary of triggers also use the card system eg red to yellow.

6 Clear rules, timetable and structure also visual aids in the house

7 A peaceful home with no clutter - keep things tidy and have a clear quiet spot for your child.

Noras · 19/10/2024 12:04

Also whilst I think about it

We had a little box of curiosities with squiggly toys, tactile stuff and chews that helped. He wore a chew around his neck.

We kept walls clear but we always had a basket of books to read with a cosy corner.

We gave our son a clear timetable of the day and also what he was going to eat etc and tried to stick to it.

Walk charts for behaviour

We insisted on routine exercise eg swimming 3 times per week as it really helped regulate.

Texture time eg cooking together helps as a bonding thing

He had a tent we would roll around in or take books into. Just a safe space.

We had a trampoline and made regular trips to playgrounds for the SPD issues

LovelyCinnamon · 19/10/2024 15:21

Just to say, it happens!
DS has autism and if you ask him where the scratch on his arm came from he would say « mum scratched me » which is technically true, even though the context was that I was trying to grab his arm to prevent him from throwing his dinner plate at his sibling.
Or the time he thew a book at me, I held me hands up vertically in a reflex to protect my face, the book bounced on my flat hands and hit him in the face leaving a mark. Again, he would say « mum threw a book at me ».
We have been lucky that any such marks have never been questioned but it is something that worries me.

LovelyCinnamon · 19/10/2024 15:23

@Noras thank you for you post, it really helps to feel we are not alone. Very giod advice.

Londonwriter · 19/10/2024 15:30

Thanks, @Noras. This is kind and useful.

Checkandcheckagain · 19/10/2024 20:07

Ivehearditbothways · 17/10/2024 21:20

If this is the complete truth, then I might keep my kid off sick until it’s faded. Just because the school are mandated reporters so they will have to report.

What’s important is finding a way to manage the meltdowns without risking hitting her so this doesn’t happen again.

This

MixedCouple2 · 20/10/2024 13:59

I have a DF who has a teenager with ASD getting school involved never worked out ever. All they did was take it as DF not coping and reporting to social services (not even anything close to what happened with OPs child). And in turn they were told if yo I can't cope then said child wilp be rehomed in foster care 🤬

umar123 · 22/10/2024 20:46

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 18/10/2024 16:25

Things can happen by accident when you're being violently attacked. I slapped DS across the face once when he was having a meltdown. He'd knocked my glasses off so I couldn't see well and had then punched me in the eye which caused double vision, I just flung my arm out as I could see him pulling back to punch me again, misjudged it and slapped him. DS has no restraint, no sense of self preservation, no holding back when he has a meltdown. He will bite, kick, pull hair, try to gouge lumps out of us with his nails, headbutt, punch, slap, use anything he can get his hands on as a weapon, all the while screaming at us that he wants to kill us, that he wants to die, that we should kill him, that he hates us.

We have asked and asked for help with his meltdowns and were lent a booklet on NVR, which is bloody useless once he's tipped over into having a meltdown, is attacking us and trying to hurt himself. I've had three trips to A&E, DH has recieved multiple blows to the head, we've both been left bruised and bleeding - at one point pretty much my entire right arm was a massive bruise, as was my back. No real help, except the suggestion to call the police, the police won't come out, 999 say the two of us should be able to manage him and we need to do 'whatever it takes'.

To the person that asked what happens as they get older - they get harder to manage safely. DS has improved as he's had help with learning how to regulate his emotions through school and specialist courses, but it's not perfect and sometimes he gets overwhelmed, and then just asking him not to do something can tip him over.

He's 11 now and I can't manage him safely alone if he has a meltdown. We try to have the two of us here as much as possible. I don't know what happens if he still has meltdowns at 14, 15, 16, and we've still had no help.

Oh my god. That's terrible, sinister behavior

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 22/10/2024 23:22

umar123 · 22/10/2024 20:46

Oh my god. That's terrible, sinister behavior

It's not sinister, though it is pretty terrible to be on the recieving end. It's a meltdown, and it's very distressing for DS as well as he hates himself for it afterwards.

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