New Lucy Letby details

[Mrsdoyler]

Did you see today in the news that LucyLetby originally failed her nursing training.

Reason: Lack of empathy

Oh my god.
thinking of all the families affected - I always though there must be signs

Counting Mirabai in in 3, 2, 1......

Yeah that's a pretty big piece of relevant information

I have read it and also the sensational headline she gave an overdose of morphine
Except in context that was administered and dose checked by 2 nurses and she was not the senior so although a very serious error that puts more context to it
She failed on calculation of dosages and I think not knowing some side effects of medication. She won't be first or last to have to resit.

Yes but it's relevant that she failed specifically on lack of empathy

When you say dose checked.

I saw a trainee nurse on here on mumsnet. She says that she is asked to prepare a drug, then she said that nurses come along and scribble their signature on it, without checking that it's done correctly.

Have you got a link to the story, please?

My midwife had zero empathy. In fact she was a complete and total bitch. Is this actually a reason you can fail to be allowed a career in the medical field?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/cold-letby-initially-failed-final-year-student-nurse-placement-probe-told/ar-AA1sj7dt?ocid=BingNewsSerp

There's something that struck me about the way she looked and seemed during the trial. And when when being interviewed. Very little emotion. Almost dead eyed.

The fact is that when she was told she was under investigation and her practice was being questioned, instead of accepting that and willingly doing lower risk work, she still insisted on wanting to care for the highest risk babies.

Who would do that as a decent nurse?

Why is this in AIBU?

YABU anyway.

Google "Lucy Letby failed nurse placement" and you have several articles you can choose from.

And that she said she was ‘looking forward to her first death to get it over with’?!? 😳

If she failed her final nurse placement, and the mentor also noted that lucy letby was very incompetent with administering medication,

why then put her looking after

Very premature babies.

Maybe she just wasn't competent to look after them? Rather than actually murdering them. Just a theory.

Did she fail her nurse training or her final placement which she obviously re sat and got signed off by someone.

It's a YABU from me.

Basically irrelevant information. She did obviously do those murders, but it's all the real evidence that allows the conviction (not this speculative stuff).

Final placement. And then she resat.

Which happens to other nurses.

But it was one of the reasons that she failed , that seems very relevant to what happened later. Her mentor said she was cold, and lacking empathy with patients

I think a lot of posters, including myself, see AIBU as the main page of mumsnet.

If that's true then the student needs to report it, the registered nurse should hold the keys, draw up or supervise another member of staff drawing up the drug, both check, go to the patient and then sign for it, a student nurse should also know the drug regulations and policies.

So why did she get to qualify if they were so concerned.

Yes obviously that should happen, but it doesn't.

I have two friends that are nurses. They were in Uni training to be a nurse when I was in Uni training to be something else. So I heard all about their lives as student nurses.

They told me that they were often left to do things by themselves, when they were students. Senior nurses would sign for things but would barely look at what they were signing.

This is really difficult. Nursing training was changed in 2018 to include multiple “assessors” (including someone from the uni plus other HCPs) rather than just one “mentor”, as there were known issues with having a single individual have that much power over someone’s potential career. Before 2018, if your mentor didn’t like you, for whatever reason, then you were pretty much screwed, now there’s several other people with some degree of oversight.

I agree that the things that Letby failed on were rather concerning but alone it’s not really enough. What I did find interesting is that the department where she failed her placement ended up hiring her and she worked alongside her ex-mentor. So either the department was desperate for nurses or she interviewed well.

You rarely hear of a nurse failing her nursin degree though do you. They let them repeat the competencies with a different mentor.

I'm a nurse. Neither me nor any nurse that I've worked with would put their signature to the administration of medication by a student nurse without checking it first. I even double check my registered colleagues medication if they ask me to countersign it; often medications needing two signatures are controlled medications and I'm not risking a patient coming to harm due to a drug error with my signature beside it.

Nooooo wayyyyy. That's terrifying.