New Lucy Letby details

[Mrsdoyler]

Did you see today in the news that LucyLetby originally failed her nursing training.

Reason: Lack of empathy

This video goes into some detail
m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkmEMTPP7-Q

What alerted the doctor if the alarms were switched off, you can't say in all the noise and confusion you can't remember, if the alarm was off there was no noise.

The appeal judge has now put it as a matter of legal record that Jarayam’s testimony is unreliable.

In the Shropshire Star article I linked to on the previous page he says he heard LL was alone with a baby and went into the room to check on her because he had a bad feeling about the situation (yes, that’s really his explanation). He then found her standing over the baby, having dislodged its breathing tube. He revived the baby and then went off and left the murderous nurse with the baby she’d just tried to kill. He didn’t tell anyone.

All sounds like a completely believable
series of events, right?

Yeah right of course he did

Defending, Ben Myers KC asked Dr Jayaram why he had not phoned the police if he believed that the nurse was killing babies.

The consultant said he and his colleagues had raised their concerns with senior managers but had been ignored.

"There’s a culture in the NHS of clinicians who raise concerns - there was a strategy to keep us quiet," he said.

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There’s more of this absolute absurdity in the article linked below. Is there anyone in the world who would walk in on a nurse trying to kill a baby and not tell anyone because they didn’t think they’d be taken seriously?

Come on. If he genuinely thought that’s what he’d seen at the time he would have been shouting it from the rooftops. He would have been dragging her out of that ward with his own hands. I simply don’t believe he was as convinced then as he now says he is, unless he is an actual psychopath.

BBC article

I saw something come out of Thirwall I think that used the piss poor excuse that those on the unit misunderstood the "mandatory reporting" protocol applied to parents and caregivers because "it's different" for staff. This is one thing that absolutely baffles me. Suspected harm to a child is suspected harm to a child regardless of who the suspected perpetrator is, surely?

If you’ve walked in on someone trying to kill a baby you report it, whether it’s mandatory do so or not, surely? Who wastes time worrying about the protocol in that situation anyway?

If it actually gappen3d in the first place, ime doctors don't hold back when there's a nurse involved.

I agree, I think might be a case of a false memory.

I would expect there to be a record of what happened in then medical notes and the doctor assigned to the unit to be told, do consultants stay on the unit all day or do the juniors carry out day to day care, there would also have been a senior nurse on duty.

It’s in the GMC guidelines if they were at all confused.

https://www.gmc-uk.org/-/media/documents/raising-and-acting-on-concerns-about-patient-safety---english-0617_pdf-48902813.pdf

The notes will be brief, but certainly can flag up a false memory. The notes and such are probably one reason why his testimony has been determined to be unreliable.

False memories are when our minds fill in gaps or remember things how they didn’t happen to fit a narrative we have told ourself.

Like him recalling that LL disabled the alarm and dislodged the tube when he never saw that happen and other witnesses say the alarm was going off- that is a suspicious mind erasing that the alarm was going off which is what alerted him, but remembering the tube was dislodged and then jumping to conclusion she has disabled alarm and then dislodged the tube.

False memories can happen to anyone, and that’s what is so hard about it. People with false memories are not intentionally lying. They believe what they are saying, it is what they remember. So they come across as very genuine and truthful. They also stick to their story/memory- changing stories is what usually catches out a liar.

Totally agree with all of this. I seriously doubt he is intentionally lying. But his story about this incident HAS to be inaccurate. His actions just don’t make sense any other way.

No it doesn't make sense at all unless it wasn't anything to do with LL

You're forgetting the part where after leaving Letby there with the baby he then had to come back after a further desat, he then dealt with that desat and left Letby with the baby AGAIN, he then went to leave that part of the hospital because he believed everything was stable so he was going to the office to part of the hospital to prepare for the next day, within minutes he was called back again for a third desat. Baby K was then transferred to another hospital and he then left Letby there with other babies!

Was she the only nurse on duty then, presumably either a nurse or doctor called him to come and review the baby, do they not have junior doctors in nice who handled this first.

Again these recent posts are full of snippets of information that please the posters narrative that Letby is innocent

Dr J - literally has no reason to lie about this. I mean what could be in it for him?! Nothing…..

I wonder if the defence restricted their appeal attempts to grounds that
might get the conviction quashed but would not result in a retrial. Whatever the appeal court says, she can’t get a fair trial while the other convictions stand.

A point of information @Grahamhousehushand: the majority convictions in the first trial were 10 to 1 not 11 to 1. The jury were unable to reach any unanimous verdicts until after one jury member had been released.

Letting someone take the blame for systemic and widespread failing maybe?

Oh I think perhaps they have actually admitted that. The publicity didn’t make a difference in their view but the actual convictions did. Maybe the judgment is more hopeful than I thought.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/R-v-LETBY-202402750-B4-FINAL-_.pdf

This is a really good article on the case:

.https://dailysceptic.org/2024/10/24/lucy-letby-has-been-betrayed-by-a-legal-system-that-cant-handle-scientific-evidence/

@Mirabai

Honestly have you looked at the source of your link.

He has been sacked, discredited - worked for the Sun, and been at the centre of many stories spreading misinformation!

Dr. Timothy Bradshaw is a retired Lecturer in Theology at the University of Oxford.