New Lucy Letby details

[Mrsdoyler]

Did you see today in the news that LucyLetby originally failed her nursing training.

Reason: Lack of empathy

I looked and there is no context as to why Letby thought the error was unavoidable and why the other senior nurse signed off on that statement. There is no indication as to how it happened. The prosecution says it should have been avoidable, but when asked her view the senior nurse giving testimony replied that it is hard to say and difficult to say really.

As for who accidentally gives drugs that are not needed, it happens 237 million times every year in the NHS.

No I didn't ask you which category my sort of error would come under. I stated that i had made an error in documenting, which the protocol classed as a drug error. You then said that it ^"might fall under the ones that have no clinical impact- 72% of the 237 million.
It wouldn’t fall under the 66 million of clinical significance as those are backed up by adverse reactions linked to medication errors".^

I then asked you what the definition was of these clinically significant errors that you had mentioned, of which there were apparently 66 million of. I nowhere asked you which category my error came under. I asked what the definition of clinically significant was.

@Mrsdoyler my friend was asked to prepare her baby son's gaviscon dose as well as for the baby in the cot next to him by his scubu nurse. My fried was used to being involved in her baby's care but was quite shocked when asked to the same for another baby. The nurse then signed it off.......

FFS, I am sick of people on here diagnosing everyone who is even a tiny little bit odd as being autistic. She would have had extensive psychiatric reports done by the prosecution and defence and there has been no mention of autism.

I misunderstood you then.

Wow.

You're saying that your friend, who was a patient, was asked to prepare another baby's medication dose?

Wow

Her true colours are well and truly coming out now. Stuff not directly relevant to the trial but very much relevant to the bigger picture of the evil murderer and her wider actions on the ward - and those who protected her.

The 'she's innocent' nutters rely on a couple of repetitive photos of her in the press holding a babygro and a drink to paint a picture of her as a lovely young nurse, and it's becoming more than evident that she absolutely was never any such thing.

Clearly.

@Mrsdoyler My friend had a baby in scubu and she was asked to prepare her son's gaviscon & that of the baby in the next cot. They come in sachets which you mix in water to add to formula.

You'll find a lot more sloppy practice coming to light.....

A psychiatric report isn't the same as an autism assessment fyi

I genuinely cannot fathom how anybody who even slightly followed the trial could think she’s innocent? An 8 month trial, approx 40,000 pages of evidence and no actual defence other that a plumber (and yes I know they don’t actually need a defence, the burden of proof is on the prosecution), but come on - with this much at stake and they had nothing - not even, I’m incompetent (and actually the stuff coming out of the inquiry would’ve supported that!)

And then another trial, a refused appeal. Now this shit from the inquiry - 40% tube dislodgements at LWH on her shifts when the average was less than 1%; the morphine; the antibiotics; the hundreds of handover notes in boxes marked keep. Sure, maybe in isolation these can be explained - but come on, look at it in the round and see where it points!

Yet still, people think she might be innocent - mostly people with something to gain or hopping on a bandwagon. The lengths some will go to to defend a baby murderer is astounding and so so disrespectful to the families who have suffered so much already.

I followed the trial and found the so called evidence underwhelming @Nottodaythankyou123

A psychiatrist will do the initial screening though and then refer for assessment if necessary.

Final placement which she resat over 4 weeks or whatever window her Uni and Trust had and she passed with a different mentor in the same unit.

We don't know what assessments were made, if any, unless they've been made public

I don’t think she was referred for psychiatric assessments as she did not plead diminished responsibility on the basis of a mental health condition?

Mindblowing isn't it. Those of us who followed the trial (and had an ounce of insight) could see exactly what she was pretty early on (especially when she gave evidence) but it's interesting to see it all being confirmed so grimly in this inquiry.

you would only plead diminished responsibility if you were admitting you did it surely. Her defence was it was nothing to do with her so it wouldn’t make sense to plead diminished responsibility

Miscarriages of justice happen, and significant doubts have been cast by experts on the medical and statistical evidence, enough for the convictions to look unsafe.

There'd be a whole lot of male medical students not passing if that was the case. What's the bet it's only used to judge women students, if it is a thing?

Exactly. So the court never referred her for psychiatric assessment as far as I saw?

What do you think the psychiatrist was doing? He/she wasn't just there for a chat. They examined her to see if she had any illnesses or disorders. This will have included neurodivergence.

We don't know what assessments were made, or how in depth they were unless you have any specific reports?

Please provide evidence that she was assessed by psychiatrists for defence and prosecution. I can’t find any record she was.

its not mentioned in the July summary
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/R-v-Letby-Final-Judgment-20240702.pdf

And yet the court of appeal still said no - the defence had access to some of these experts (a few definitely said they wrote to them) - and they chose not to use them, particularly in relation to statistics.