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Kids not wanting to attend SILs wedding after argument

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comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:19

My sister in law is getting married in 3 weeks. My daughter is a bridesmaid and my son is an usher. However we’ve all just had a huge row and now my children don’t particularly want to go either. Looking for advice.

Both my kids are in private school. Daughter year 10, son year 11. SIL very much disapproves of our choice. She also has a child in year 11. Over a family Sunday lunch we were discussing plans for post GCSE education. We’re not pulling the kids out of school during GCSEs but the fee increase is too much long term. The plan therefore is for them to complete their GCSEs in their current school and hopefully then get a place at the excellent local state school for 6th form. The local school is C of E which is why we couldn’t get in for senior school (I have some thoughts about that, but that’s another thread!) However for 6th form current pupils just have to achieve high GCSEs and new pupils very high GCSEs. They make offers to new pupils based on school predicted grades and the number of applicants etc. Last year for example to get in for A level maths you needed to be predicted a min 7 as well as scoring highly in an exam the school set.

I thought SIL would be happy, but she lost her mind. It was triggered by a comment my son made- he said he was looking forward to going because it would be nice to go somewhere bigger, meet new people and because most of his friends from his current school were also applying. His current school is selective and high achieving. Son is predicted 7-9 in almost everything and most of his friends are the same. We’re talking a year group of 150 kids with at least 50+% now applying to the local school (previously I’d say 10-20% went after GCSEs). This will obviously massively increase the competition for the places they can offer to people who aren’t already pupils.

SIL went off. It’s not fair apparently that her son and his friends may not be offered a place because of competition from kids who had the benefit of private education. She genuinely said that there should be a sort of tier system - like university contextual offers. The thing is, that other than the great C of E school the other school options aren’t good at all (hence us going private.) Son asked SIL if she was saying that because he’d been privately educated she thought he should go somewhere not great for A levels, and she said yes! Apparently he’ll do fine anywhere. Son said he didn’t want to do “fine”- he was aiming for better, and some of the other local schools don’t even offer things like further maths or A levels other than the basics.

DH (her brother) pointed out that the levelling up of state schools she thinks will happen when private schools lose pupils would take some time and there were bound to be issues initially, especially when lots more kids look to go to state schools for A levels in a few years. He’s been pissed off with her for years and pointed out that this is what she wanted. My son and daughter are very upset that their aunt seemingly doesn’t care that much about them.

I’m more sympathetic. Nephew has struggled in the school he’s currently in (also not able to get into C of E school) with low level bullying. He’s had 3 maths teachers in 18 months and his science teachers have been dreadful. The drama teacher is currently filling in in GCSE English lit for unknown reasons and it’s not going well. It’s all been a bit shit and I know they are hugely keen for him to go somewhere different for A level. However his predicted grades aren’t brilliant and he was always borderline as to whether he’d get in based on last years offers- the additional competition may well mess things up for him. SIL has been really upset about his school for a long time which is one of the reasons she’s been so cross about us going private. Apparently the local schools would have been better if the private school and the Cof E didn’t cream off the better pupils. She’s not wrong (don’t want this to be a thread about educational policy though) However my son and daughter are I think rightfully annoyed that she’d be happy to send them there!

It all got very fraught until my MIL nearly burst into tears and people calmed down. However the children are now saying they don’t want to be in her wedding. This is my problem- do I tell them to suck it up (outfits bought, far to late in the day to drop out, not doing it would cause possibly unrecoverable family strife, they love their cousin and my SIL when she’s not upset and speaking without thinking) or do I let them chose not to? They’re young and cross and I’m know they haven’t thought through the long term ramifications.

DH says we should leave them tonight but he’s not exactly impartial. I actually like SIL (despite being often and vocally judged) and think that everyone will end up regretting not going. I also think she’s a worried mother who is seeing the possibility of her child not getting a place somewhere he really wants to go. I’d be upset -and I am upset for nephew.
What do I do?

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Comedycook · 07/10/2024 11:24

In theory, she has a point....but she should not have had the discussion or behaved that way with your ds who is a effectively still a child. Very wrong of her.

As for the wedding, I'd be inclined to tell them that they need to suck it up and put a brave face on for their cousins sake.

Comedycook · 07/10/2024 11:25

And I also would contact sil and explain you'd like to clear the air between everyone before the wedding

whatshalliday · 07/10/2024 11:25

When was the argument and when was the wedding? What I'm saying is do they need to decide now as they may well have calmed down in a few days/weeks. I'm assuming they are mid teens so what I would do is wait for a while (if you can and wedding isn't imminent) speak it through with them and make them aware of all the family issues that will arise from them not wanting to be part. If they still are adamant then I'd let them bow out, maybe they should write a letter to their aunt explaining as face to face confrontation won't do anyone any good.

WaterBuffalo · 07/10/2024 11:28

I'd make them go as otherwise it will turn into a much bigger issue and you will potentially lose your relationship with Sil's family. It sounds like neither you nor the kids would want that. My kids go to private school but in the current climate I try not to discuss it with
others for fear of judgment. It seems like it has become the new brexit.

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:28

whatshalliday · 07/10/2024 11:25

When was the argument and when was the wedding? What I'm saying is do they need to decide now as they may well have calmed down in a few days/weeks. I'm assuming they are mid teens so what I would do is wait for a while (if you can and wedding isn't imminent) speak it through with them and make them aware of all the family issues that will arise from them not wanting to be part. If they still are adamant then I'd let them bow out, maybe they should write a letter to their aunt explaining as face to face confrontation won't do anyone any good.

Row yesterday at MILs for lunch. Wedding in 3 weeks!

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comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:30

Comedycook · 07/10/2024 11:24

In theory, she has a point....but she should not have had the discussion or behaved that way with your ds who is a effectively still a child. Very wrong of her.

As for the wedding, I'd be inclined to tell them that they need to suck it up and put a brave face on for their cousins sake.

This is where I am. She has a point. I'd be really upset if I were her. I like her, my kids do love her and I think they'd massively regret the impact not going would have. I don't think there's any coming back from that is there?

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AlexaSetATimer · 07/10/2024 11:30

@whatshalliday it's right there in the first line of the OP - wedding is in 3 weeks. And they've "just" had the row so pretty recently I'd say.

Octavia64 · 07/10/2024 11:31

You need to leave it for a bit.

Let it calm down.

Personally a wedding is a big thing. I wouldn't want to miss it, and potentially turn this from a storm into a hurricane, if that makes sense.

This will blow over - but not if your kids don't go to the wedding.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 07/10/2024 11:32

Threaten to pull out of the wedding. That should teach the opinionated little madam to keep her opinions to herself.

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:33

Octavia64 · 07/10/2024 11:31

You need to leave it for a bit.

Let it calm down.

Personally a wedding is a big thing. I wouldn't want to miss it, and potentially turn this from a storm into a hurricane, if that makes sense.

This will blow over - but not if your kids don't go to the wedding.

Exactly. I like "turning a storm into a hurricane". I'll use that....

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LewishamMumNow · 07/10/2024 11:34

Your kids don't get to decide. They are presumably 14 and 15. You are the parent. And this is a wedding. The ramifications of not going will last forever. If anyone makes that call it should be your DH not you, but he'd been way overacting to do it in these circumstances.

Stichintime · 07/10/2024 11:36

Go to the wedding. Teach your kids you can have a disagreement but can still like and support each other.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 07/10/2024 11:36

Also teach your kids to say ‘opinions are like bumholes SIL, they’re important to have but best kept covered up’

comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:36

AgainandagainandagainSS · 07/10/2024 11:32

Threaten to pull out of the wedding. That should teach the opinionated little madam to keep her opinions to herself.

She's actually nice. Just wedding stressed and worried about her child. I understand. Dh who has the emotional intelligence of glue will also eventually understand when he's calmer (he loves nephew a lot which will help) It's just teenagers are a bit reactive and really don't think things through so I feel like I should insist but it also feels off to force someone into a bridesmaid dress and down the aisle!

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Overtheatlantic · 07/10/2024 11:37

I don’t know if it will blow over. She’s told her niece and nephew that they deserve to have less because that will somehow make up for her son’s lack of ability. Obviously there are other factors in play but that’s essentially what she said.

LewishamMumNow · 07/10/2024 11:37

AgainandagainandagainSS · 07/10/2024 11:32

Threaten to pull out of the wedding. That should teach the opinionated little madam to keep her opinions to herself.

Ultimately SIL is worried sick about her son who's life chances are affected. He's in a shit school because of creaming off; and then his chances of moving to a better one are thrown further down the pipe because of creaming off. SIL is right about the "contextualised" placements - why should sixth forms ignore this? Tell your DS to understand and accept that he is very privileged, and his results are not "earned" in the same way as that of others.

DanceTheDevilBackIntoHisHole · 07/10/2024 11:37

Stichintime · 07/10/2024 11:36

Go to the wedding. Teach your kids you can have a disagreement but can still like and support each other.

Exactly this. Your teens will learn that it's okay to vociferously disagree with people you love and not fall out. She was thoughtless in how she phrased it but it's not the sum of who she is to your family.

Lissyy · 07/10/2024 11:38

I didn't read it all but she is right that the places should go to school kids in that school before being offered external. Just tell your kids that this is a life lesson that disagreements happen, it's crazy to back out of a wedding because of something minor.

NewPinkJacket · 07/10/2024 11:38

Stichintime · 07/10/2024 11:36

Go to the wedding. Teach your kids you can have a disagreement but can still like and support each other.

Exactly.

I thought squabbling over children normally ceased around primary school.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 07/10/2024 11:39

I agree with your SIL but obviously it was highly inappropriate to say all that in front of kids.

This is a prime opportunity for you to step up as a parent and teach your kids that sometimes we need to put our own feelings aside and be the bigger person for the sake of family harmony. The potential consequences of them not going to the wedding are severe.

Icanttakethisanymore · 07/10/2024 11:39

Oooo - this is tricky.

I would try to help your DCs understand their Aunty's perspective. Not to excuse her behaviour but to put some context to her actions. If they are empathetic young people I would imagine they can see why she is frustrated that her DC may once again lose out. I would also encourage your SIL to clear the air, she is an adult and she shouldn't have taken her frustrations out on your DC.

LewishamMumNow · 07/10/2024 11:39

Lissyy · 07/10/2024 11:38

I didn't read it all but she is right that the places should go to school kids in that school before being offered external. Just tell your kids that this is a life lesson that disagreements happen, it's crazy to back out of a wedding because of something minor.

If you had read it all you might have realised that's not SILs real issue.

TemuSpecialBuy · 07/10/2024 11:39

I would leave it for a bit

your DH or you if he is useless needs to sit her down for a chat prob by end of this week though.
they are children and her nieces and nephews she’s really upset them and fundamentally made them feel like she doesn’t care about them or like them.
its not okay.
shes the adult…she owes them a big apology and a heartfelt chat about her political ideals got the best of her but she loves them to bits… blah blah etc

then explain to the kids tensions are high because the cousin is NOT getting the great education they are and their aunt is scared about what this means so is lashing out weirdly l. It’s a fear based response and not about them specifically.
then your kids grit their teeth and get through the day….

Meadowfinch · 07/10/2024 11:39

You need to calm everyone down. Then talk to your sil and explain that taking her views out on children is not a sensible or fair thing to do, especially when the whole mess is completely outside their control.

Explain that her outburst now means her nephew and niece don't want to be at her wedding, and that maybe she needs to do a bit of bridge building. At least explain why she was upset.

Hopefully there is time for everyone to cool off. Then talk to your dcs and explain that the school issue will be forgotten within a year, but dropping out of sil's wedding at the last moment will not.

Not2identifying · 07/10/2024 11:40

[I'm not a parent so you don't have to take my advice!]

If or when you do talk to your kids, I think you could ask them to think about how they would feel if, in the future, their own sibling's child/ren had way more opportunity/privilege than their own. It might help them to understand SIL's perspective and why she's struggling to manage her feelings.

It's not your kids' (or your) fault that the nephew has had a harder go of it but they can still be compassionate and 'be the bigger person' and choose not to air a disagreement on a really important day for somebody they do ultimately love.

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