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Kids not wanting to attend SILs wedding after argument

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comfortablynumber · 07/10/2024 11:19

My sister in law is getting married in 3 weeks. My daughter is a bridesmaid and my son is an usher. However we’ve all just had a huge row and now my children don’t particularly want to go either. Looking for advice.

Both my kids are in private school. Daughter year 10, son year 11. SIL very much disapproves of our choice. She also has a child in year 11. Over a family Sunday lunch we were discussing plans for post GCSE education. We’re not pulling the kids out of school during GCSEs but the fee increase is too much long term. The plan therefore is for them to complete their GCSEs in their current school and hopefully then get a place at the excellent local state school for 6th form. The local school is C of E which is why we couldn’t get in for senior school (I have some thoughts about that, but that’s another thread!) However for 6th form current pupils just have to achieve high GCSEs and new pupils very high GCSEs. They make offers to new pupils based on school predicted grades and the number of applicants etc. Last year for example to get in for A level maths you needed to be predicted a min 7 as well as scoring highly in an exam the school set.

I thought SIL would be happy, but she lost her mind. It was triggered by a comment my son made- he said he was looking forward to going because it would be nice to go somewhere bigger, meet new people and because most of his friends from his current school were also applying. His current school is selective and high achieving. Son is predicted 7-9 in almost everything and most of his friends are the same. We’re talking a year group of 150 kids with at least 50+% now applying to the local school (previously I’d say 10-20% went after GCSEs). This will obviously massively increase the competition for the places they can offer to people who aren’t already pupils.

SIL went off. It’s not fair apparently that her son and his friends may not be offered a place because of competition from kids who had the benefit of private education. She genuinely said that there should be a sort of tier system - like university contextual offers. The thing is, that other than the great C of E school the other school options aren’t good at all (hence us going private.) Son asked SIL if she was saying that because he’d been privately educated she thought he should go somewhere not great for A levels, and she said yes! Apparently he’ll do fine anywhere. Son said he didn’t want to do “fine”- he was aiming for better, and some of the other local schools don’t even offer things like further maths or A levels other than the basics.

DH (her brother) pointed out that the levelling up of state schools she thinks will happen when private schools lose pupils would take some time and there were bound to be issues initially, especially when lots more kids look to go to state schools for A levels in a few years. He’s been pissed off with her for years and pointed out that this is what she wanted. My son and daughter are very upset that their aunt seemingly doesn’t care that much about them.

I’m more sympathetic. Nephew has struggled in the school he’s currently in (also not able to get into C of E school) with low level bullying. He’s had 3 maths teachers in 18 months and his science teachers have been dreadful. The drama teacher is currently filling in in GCSE English lit for unknown reasons and it’s not going well. It’s all been a bit shit and I know they are hugely keen for him to go somewhere different for A level. However his predicted grades aren’t brilliant and he was always borderline as to whether he’d get in based on last years offers- the additional competition may well mess things up for him. SIL has been really upset about his school for a long time which is one of the reasons she’s been so cross about us going private. Apparently the local schools would have been better if the private school and the Cof E didn’t cream off the better pupils. She’s not wrong (don’t want this to be a thread about educational policy though) However my son and daughter are I think rightfully annoyed that she’d be happy to send them there!

It all got very fraught until my MIL nearly burst into tears and people calmed down. However the children are now saying they don’t want to be in her wedding. This is my problem- do I tell them to suck it up (outfits bought, far to late in the day to drop out, not doing it would cause possibly unrecoverable family strife, they love their cousin and my SIL when she’s not upset and speaking without thinking) or do I let them chose not to? They’re young and cross and I’m know they haven’t thought through the long term ramifications.

DH says we should leave them tonight but he’s not exactly impartial. I actually like SIL (despite being often and vocally judged) and think that everyone will end up regretting not going. I also think she’s a worried mother who is seeing the possibility of her child not getting a place somewhere he really wants to go. I’d be upset -and I am upset for nephew.
What do I do?

OP posts:
ClemenceD · 13/10/2024 02:20

I would make it clear to myself and my children that we can empathize with nephew's shitty situation without taking on guilt or responsibility for fixing it. Tell the kids they have a right to be upset with what SIL said, and at the same time show empathy for the nephew's situation and SIL's fears for his future. See if you can find a way to help (not out of obligation, but compassion.) Are there tutoring centers available to help nephew catch up with advanced maths and English?
Every parent will get the best resources for their child that they can - it's an innate drive. I would definitely not start apologizing or, God forbid, sacrificing my own children's education for the sake of 'social justice' or some such. Empathize with SIL and offer any resources you might be able to if you want, but understand that it's ultimately her responsibility.
And of course they need to go to the wedding. Backing out at this point would be unthinkable. Teach them to fulfill their social obligations even when it is uncomfortable.

Skybluepinky · 13/10/2024 09:37

I agree with her, really unfair u have played the system,

MintyNew · 13/10/2024 09:54

verysmellyjelly · 10/10/2024 11:50

Some people are so obsessed with hating the poor SIL, lol. What about her son? He's a child too, just as much as OP's kids. And yet the private-school obsessed can't spare a thought for how he feels when his cousin is bragging about all those fun opportunities ahead and wanting to do "better than fine".

OP is attacked for not standing up for her kids (supposedly, when actually she seems to have helped mediate a decent outcome), but then where is the empathy for SIL who is standing up for her son and others in his position?

Could it be that state educated kids don't matter as much to certain contributors on the thread...? We may never know Hmm

But it wasn't child taking on child.

It was a grown adult woman taking on a child. That's why she got the deserved hate. How is it OP's kids fault for being privately educated.

MrsPeterHarris · 13/10/2024 10:47

No one deserves hate @MintyNew - what a strange thing to say / think!

readysteadynono · 16/10/2024 22:37

comfortablynumber · 08/10/2024 20:13

Thank you to everyone who commented. There have been some very interesting perspectives which have challenged me (and some frankly mad people projecting all sorts of of batshittery but these were in the minority!...)

I spoke with the kids last night. I acknowledge I have dropped the ball a bit- by not talking to them about privilege and the different educations they are getting compared to their cousin I'd not done my job as a parent. I did lay it out- told them that their cohort applying to the good state school could very mess up the opportunities for some other young people who haven't been as privileged, and frankly it wasn't fair. However we're not asking them solve the mess that is education in the country, but they must understand that while their aunt crossed a line it came from a place of enormous worry about her son- their cousin who they love.

I also said that I was disappointed in them for saying they'd drop out of the wedding and there was no way they were doing that. This baffled them for a minute until they remembered what they'd said- apparently it was all hot air and they were always definitely going so I worried unnecessarily, which was the whole point of the original post.

SIL has texted apologising -kind of. She said she obviously wants our kids to be happy but admitted that if our son gets in and hers doesn't she'll find it hugely difficult. I texted back that I totally understood and I'd feel the same in her position which I don't think she was expecting, so she called me and we had an awkward talk. Things aren't good with nephew which is hugely upsetting.

My MIL called to check on us and I did talk her through everything. I think SIL hasn't been entirely honest with her parents about the struggles my nephew has had and MIL was genuinely surprised that he perhaps wouldn't get the necessary grades as she'd always thought of him as the "clever one". Bit of a wake up call for her here about educational inequality. Someone asked unthread why PIL never paid for nephew (they got shouted, but in fact it's something I've always thought.) I think MIL may do something if nephew doesn't get in. I'll be interested to see what SIL does in this case, but genuine wouldn't judge her. Principles are fine until your child is suffering.

So we're sort of in the same position we were with a lot more awkwardness but some better understanding.

I think you're in a much better place even in it takes a while to calm down. Well done for how you've handled this.

TakeMeDancing · 17/10/2024 06:24

Skybluepinky · 13/10/2024 09:37

I agree with her, really unfair u have played the system,

How? By not being able to afford the new VAT and having to pull her kids out of their school?

MrsSunshine2b · 17/10/2024 10:34

verysmellyjelly · 10/10/2024 11:50

Some people are so obsessed with hating the poor SIL, lol. What about her son? He's a child too, just as much as OP's kids. And yet the private-school obsessed can't spare a thought for how he feels when his cousin is bragging about all those fun opportunities ahead and wanting to do "better than fine".

OP is attacked for not standing up for her kids (supposedly, when actually she seems to have helped mediate a decent outcome), but then where is the empathy for SIL who is standing up for her son and others in his position?

Could it be that state educated kids don't matter as much to certain contributors on the thread...? We may never know Hmm

It sounds like SIL's son didn't have anything to say on the matter. I would have been more understanding of him getting upset, but would have expected his Mum to tell him not to make personal attacks due to his own circumstances.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 15 yo wanting to do "better than fine", in fact, I'd be more concerned by a 15 yo who was satisfied with mediocre. Teenagers should be full of ambition and optimism. It's not the job of other children to dull their sparkle because another child isn't doing so well.

SIL needs to focus on getting help and support for her son rather than tearing down her nephew.

LushLemonTart · 18/12/2024 09:37

Hope the wedding went well @comfortablynumber ?

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