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I feel like the 'poor one' compared to DH

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likespiano · 29/09/2024 09:53

I actually know I’m being unreasonable and I’m trying to figure out why! We’re really lucky, financially, so I don’t know why I’m always scrimping and saving, counting the pennies, while DH buys anything he wants. It’s really jarring.

I’m from UK but live in Italy with DH (in his home town) and our two DC. DD is 10 and NT. DS is 7 and ND. DH works full time, employed, 24 000 euros a year (including tax relief because of DS). I teach, 10 hours a week, self employed, about 10 000 euros a year (6 500 euros after tax). My in-laws live round the corner and do a lot of childcare. They also gave us our house, so we have no rent or mortgage. I know how lucky I am. But seeing as I’m so lucky, why am I so broke and why isn’t DH?

I think our expenses are quite well organised, he pays all the larger bills (food, utilities, car maintenance and insurance) and I pay the smaller ones (internet, water, rubbish) and of course my personal expenses (phone, 150 euros a month into a private pension, my accountant which is 700 euros a year). Obviously any new clothes, coffee, yoga etc on top of that. Kids’ stuff since I’m with them most of the time. I’ve always managed.

Recently I’ve noticed that DH has been gradually transferring expenses that he used to cover onto me. We changed our second car, the new one is in my name and now I’m paying petrol. I know that’s fair, since I use it for work, but I didn’t use to pay petrol as I used his second car, and he filled them both up. We never explicitly agreed it, it just happened. Also, holidays. I paid for an extra holiday this summer because he didn’t come, he doesn’t like the beach. I suggested that in future I and DC go with my mother instead of him. He agreed, and he’ll cover DCs expenses, but that’s not the same as paying for the whole thing, which he did until now. Last month we agreed I was having difficulty, and now he refunds me anything I spend on DC. It’s hard to tell how much it’ll help as it’s so new. But last month, he paid late, rounded down, complained. I minimised, didn’t include everything I’d spent on them, felt guilty.

Money-saving initiatives generally seem to backfire. For example, I suggested we get a second-hand bike for DS, to save money. DH looked online and decided he wanted a BMX bike for himself, so he ended up buying that instead. Then we got DS a new bike anyway. DH used to play the drums, but sold them as he didn’t use them anymore. Then he missed it, so he rented a small hall with a drumkit for a couple of years. We went shopping for new shoes for DC and DH found a pair of trainers at 110 euros, for him. It was actually a relief – if he felt he could afford those, surely we aren’t as broke as he says? He also has a very expensive hobby, riding his motorbike. He always says I can ask him for anything and not to worry about money, but then he complains a lot about bills and how he hardly has any money, so I don’t feel I can. My yoga membership is due next month, but I’m not going to renew it. Me and DH go out for a drink together once a week, I’ve suggested we get a bottle of wine and watch Netflix at home instead. Even tiny things, I drink tap water but he hass bottled. I’d like fizzy water too, but it would only mean more stuff to lug home from the supermarket, so I don’t. I feel so petty and resentful. Can we make things fairer, or are we both just spendthrifts?

OP posts:
TrumpIsACuntWaffle · 29/09/2024 09:54

You should have the same spends

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 29/09/2024 09:56

Your married, joint account, split money evenly.

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:56

the house…. let me guess, just in your DH’s name?

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:57

he’s on a low income
you are on a very low income

i can’t imagine there’s much disposable anyway?

Tulip8 · 29/09/2024 09:57

Why are your wages so low? Both of them are very low.

itsallbowlsbaby · 29/09/2024 09:57

Do you have full visibility of finances and debts?!

Portalsalways · 29/09/2024 09:58

Once all the bills have been paid how much do you both have left?

He covers all the big bills and now pays for anything related to to DS? How much is that compared to his income?

TBH I do think you should be covering your own petrol and your own costs if you want an additional holiday. As He is covering DS’ costs.

But you both should have equal spending.

Its hard to see if you have similar and you just spend on small stuff all the time and he saves or if there’s a big difference in what you both have left.

DoreenonTill8 · 29/09/2024 10:00

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:57

he’s on a low income
you are on a very low income

i can’t imagine there’s much disposable anyway?

This, and are you only doing 10hrs a week due to childcare or are both at school full time?

AnnaMagnani · 29/09/2024 10:01

You both have low incomes. You haven't done a fair split of expenses.

Ends up with both of you feeling hard done by as neither of you see the real picture which is that there isn't a lot of money.

One pot, all bills (yes all of them - don't end up being the one who buys kids shoes or all the birthday presents) come out of that.

likespiano · 29/09/2024 10:02

TrumpIsACuntWaffle · 29/09/2024 09:54

You should have the same spends

I think that too. In theory. In practice, I dont see how he can reduce spending on the bike, and I dont see any other low hanging fruit. Thanks for reading, btw.

OP posts:
Lentilweaver · 29/09/2024 10:03

I don't really understand this my money your money stuff in a marriage or when you have DC. I think anything other than a joint pot is unfair.

likespiano · 29/09/2024 10:04

chestnutroast · 29/09/2024 09:56

the house…. let me guess, just in your DH’s name?

No, it belongs to FIL!

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Namechangetheyarewatching · 29/09/2024 10:04

Both wages go into one pot
All bills and stuff to do with kids comes out that pot

Divide the rest into save, money for you and him equally

AnnaMagnani · 29/09/2024 10:04

And honestly you don't have the kind of income that covers bottled water, 110 Euro trainers, yoga memberships, Netflix subscriptions etc etc

Both of you need to get real about how much money you really have which is not a lot.

User37482 · 29/09/2024 10:05

Joint pot, same amount of personal spending money is the only way to make it fair.

Merryoldgoat · 29/09/2024 10:06

I will forever not understand how married couples with children end up like this.

OP - you are very far from unreasonable.

You should have the same disposable income.

I would ask though how much you both work? I suppose without rent or mortgage it’s manageable but it feels very low.

StartupRepair · 29/09/2024 10:07

Why do you pay nearly 10% of your income to your accountant?

Wildehorses · 29/09/2024 10:07

Is there a reason why you can’t increase your hours?

likespiano · 29/09/2024 10:08

DoreenonTill8 · 29/09/2024 10:00

This, and are you only doing 10hrs a week due to childcare or are both at school full time?

Full time school is until 1pm here. They are in full time school but I also do childcare. I only do 10 hours work because I spend the rest of my time planning my lessons - I did more last year but was incredibly stressed. Im not a particularly good teacher and go overboard planning to compensate, I think.

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HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 29/09/2024 10:09

OP you earn a quarter of what he earns, yet you are paying for all the kids stuff. That's ridiculous.

He needs to get real - you are married, you pool your income, pay all the bills out of that and split what's left so you both have equal fun money.

If he won't accept this, then he is being a massive arse, and I would question my future with him. Especially as your housing situation is very insecure.

ClementineSatsuma · 29/09/2024 10:09

I think it isn't fair unless you just share all money.
A husband "refunding" a wife for what she spends on her kids just seems bizarre and like a business transaction.

Why not put all money in a joint account you both have access to? All bills paid from there.

Also, why or earth do you have an expensive accountant when on such a low salary? My accountant charges similar but I run a LTD company that makes 6 figures and he runs payroll.

Portalsalways · 29/09/2024 10:09

likespiano · 29/09/2024 10:02

I think that too. In theory. In practice, I dont see how he can reduce spending on the bike, and I dont see any other low hanging fruit. Thanks for reading, btw.

Increasing hours is ‘low hanging fruit’ surely?

PermanentTemporary · 29/09/2024 10:09

It's always tricky when there is a big disparity of income. It's hard when there's a lot of money and even harder when there's not a lot.

Do you do a household budget together? A really detailed one? When dh and I were this broke we used to do a weekly budget - I was paid monthly, his money was mainly an annual dividend, but on order to keep on top of the bills we needed a spreadsheet that showed the payments that fell due every week, and lots of planning ahead for things like Christmas. We saved for three years to go on holiday. Tbh I'm sorry to sound like a boomer but threshold no way we would have been paying for Netflix at that time, we wen to the library twice a week though.

It does sound as if you are not really digging into the detail, as a couple, and hashing out your joint priorities. Where's the planning? Where are your pensions? I don't know how Italian pensions, national insurance, dental costs etc work - are you both making the right contributions for the future?

If your dh won't engage, then at the very least, do it yourself. Then if you need to spend money, or to protest at a dick spend from him, you can stand your ground.

Tulip8 · 29/09/2024 10:09

And why do you need 'a lot of childcare' from PIL when you only work 10 hours a week teaching which is presumably when your DC are at school themselves?

Sixpence39 · 29/09/2024 10:10

You should have a joint account for all bills and joint expenses including anything to do witn kids..either put all wages in or adjust the amount you each put in as a proportion of your wage eg you both put 75% of your wage into the joint account and the remaining is for spends. We do it differently. I bring in 40% of household income. We calculated all household related outgoings and then I put in 40% of that amount each month, DP 60%.

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