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DD is pregnant and I’m shit scared.

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ThisOchreCat · 26/09/2024 22:52

Back story with me: I had my first two children young (age 18 and 20). Both my oldest girls are now 26 and 24. I have 3 younger children with my second husband who are 9, 7 and 3.

My 24 year old has come tonight and told me she is pregnant. I want to be happy, truly I do, but I broke down in tears and found myself telling her she needs to get an abortion. I adore my children, I wouldn’t be without any of them. But I haven’t signed on the dotted line to raise my grandchild which is what ultimately will end up happening.

She has had problems with drugs in the past (although suspect current use) and her on/off boyfriend is a POS basically- she has come running home to me and my husband (her step father) multiple times over the course of their 6 year relationship because he has physically assaulted her, trashed her home, one time smashed the windows on her car. He’s turned up at our address and had him arrested from here countless times.

He is in every shape and form a controlling, manipulative dickhead and we won’t tolerate him being in our home or around our younger children. It came close at one point to me and my husband (her stepdad) cutting her off. Our relationship is strained but at the end of the day she is my daughter. Contact between her and our younger children is strictly supervised either by one of us or by my eldest.

Anyway, my abortion comment has gone down like a cup of cold sick. I’ve pointed out with her medical history (she’s been admitted to hospital after drug/drink binge sessions and once after being severely assaulted by her partner) and namely her partners criminal record the likelihood of them being able to keep the child is slim as social services will be informed when she goes for her first appointment. She doesn’t want to see that. She thinks all will be hunky dory and they can finally live happily ever after. And if it does go wrong…she knows I will do everything in my power to ensure my grandchild doesn’t go into care even though I’m done with the nappies, the sleepless nights etc etc

I know what’s going to happen. He’s going to either finally get in the car and leave forever because he’s a man child and won’t step up to the plate or it’s going to be the same shit but with a child in tow when she comes crying to the door. Not to mention, and as awful as I feel writing this, she isn’t mother material. She doesn’t have a clue how exhausting it can be. I have raised children for 26 years of my life now- more than half of it.

We are currently sat awake waiting for inevitable abusive phone call or knock on the door from her partner. We have sent our youngest kids to my husband’s sisters for the weekend as we imagine we will have to yet again get the police involved.

AIBU for saying what I said and how I feel?

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hot2trotter · 27/09/2024 10:41

With the amount of abuse/violence/drugs going on in her relationship, SS will be heavily involved. If she doesn't break away from her partner and "do better" she will lose the kid. It's that simple. She should only continue with the pregnancy if she is willing to end the relationship and seek help - if she refuses, you need to call SS yourself and make them aware. This is a massive safeguarding issue for a poor innocent baby.

GivingitToGod · 27/09/2024 10:46

DonnaBanana · 27/09/2024 08:14

YANBU to treat the situation as it is but at the same time you did raise someone who you suggest is an addict and making terrible life choices so you should feel a bit more responsibility at the same time. Should she be having the child though? No.

Blaming the OP for her daughter being an addict? Suggesting it is because of how daughter was raised?
Let's hope none of your children ( if you have any) have addictions. That might encourage u to be more compassionate/empathetic

SummerSnowstorm · 27/09/2024 10:47

She won't be able to stay with him, hopefully this will be the push to get her away from him and start fixing her life.
Don't judge her so harshly, there's every chance she'll do a better job with this baby than you did with her.

GivingitToGod · 27/09/2024 10:49

Edingril · 27/09/2024 08:06

So when you become a parent you automatically have to raise your grandchild if the grandchild's parents put drugs and sex before them?

Must have missed that in the parenting books

Sarcastic and unnecessary comment that ignores the associated complex emotions

ohdelay · 27/09/2024 10:52

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OrdsallChord · 27/09/2024 10:54

SummerSnowstorm · 27/09/2024 10:47

She won't be able to stay with him, hopefully this will be the push to get her away from him and start fixing her life.
Don't judge her so harshly, there's every chance she'll do a better job with this baby than you did with her.

She will absolutely be able to stay with him, in fact. And cannot be prevented from doing so. That's the area of her life where she has the most control. The issue is what impact this has on the baby, and if she will be able to keep him or her.

SummerSnowstorm · 27/09/2024 10:55

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And we're clearly not getting the story of what happened to the daughter to damage her to this point either.

BogRollBOGOF · 27/09/2024 11:04

Some possible outcomes:
*Daughter has baby, turns her life around everyone lives happily ever after.
*Daughter has abortion and doesn't have an 18+ year tie to an abusive addict should she wish to turn life around at some point.
*Daughter has baby but OP ends up caring for it temporarily/ permanently on a casual basis.
*Daughter has baby and social services intervene, strong chance of baby being removed into OP's or foster/ adoptive care. (With possible sequels as she hopes she may get to keep the baby)
*Daughter has baby and the abuse ramps up with tragic outcomes.
*Daughter has baby and its health and development are significantly affected by substance abuse from conception.

I would not be crossing my fingers and hoping that a happily ever after falls into place over the other more likely outcomes.

Even in families without abuse and substance abuse, it's not all rainbows and sprinkles when grandparents end up being the primary care givers.

Where there are many ACEs like in this case, there is a strong chance that the child will have developmental needs and/ or trauma and be complex to raise and meet the needs of.

I can't blame OP for being shocked and instinctively suggesting an abortion. OP is right to feel concerned about the potential impact on herself, her family, the grandchild and her daughter.

OP needs to alert social services (is daughter proactively organising herself for medical care and social support?) and needs to be very clear about what she can and can not support.

FrostFlowers2025 · 27/09/2024 11:04

oakleaffy · 26/09/2024 23:34

Bringing a baby into this situation is lunacy.

Of course he won't ''step up''.

Baby will be possibly born addicted- what a wretched life for that baby.

An early termination would be best.

Either that or early adoption.

Living with a violent man is going to be very risky for the child and your Daughter.

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Exactly, this!

That baby will pay the price one way or another if she does not get an abortion.

However, I don't think that OP should take the baby in. She already has 3 young children to take care of. This would impact them negatively as well. If the daughter does not get an abortion, early adoption would be the best alternative. I think that would be the best for all involved, but it's infuriating that the daughter refuses to see the situation that baby will face if she gives birth to it. So incredibly shortsighted and even selfish.

ohdelay · 27/09/2024 11:05

SummerSnowstorm · 27/09/2024 10:55

And we're clearly not getting the story of what happened to the daughter to damage her to this point either.

Drugs, abusive boyfriend and poor decision making not enough? Unless all OPs kids are mainlining crack you'll struggle to make this her fault somehow. If in doubt, try personal responsibility. OPs daughter is 24 and making her own choices

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/09/2024 11:06

GivingitToGod · 27/09/2024 10:37

What planet are u living on? Need to cut off their daughter???????????????

Yes. The whole family has been through enough. The daughter only keeps doiing what she keeps doing because she knows her mum will pick up the pieces.

The OP is not doing her daughter any favours by enabling her behaviour.

JohnofWessex · 27/09/2024 11:10

I would ring the Police NOW so they know that there is a risk and they may be able to advise you what to do

LostTheMarble · 27/09/2024 11:10

Hobnobjob · 27/09/2024 03:57

You signed up to be a grandparent when you had kids.

I think it's disgusting you told her to have an abortion. Of course she can if that's her decision, but its nothing to do with you.
You don't have to support her, but prepare to lose her

As mothers we want the best for our children, and that thought begins at the two lines on a stick. Bringing a baby into a drug and domestic abuse environment from before it’s even born is not thinking about the future child. Anything can happen in life but making a deliberate choice to have a baby who’s always going to have not just a poorer life, but an absolute shit childhood even if it’s just hiding from an abusive parent for 18 years needs to be held up as a mirror to the OP’s daughter. It’s not a good childhood to have, and I speak from very great experience. Suggesting an abortion is the op being a good mother to her daughter when she herself cannot see beyond her own wants right now.

Caramellie3 · 27/09/2024 11:12

I feel for you op but it is going to go one way or another. Either she steps up or and sorts her life out. Or she continues on this path with social services involved. If she does drugs while pregnant it will be picked up as soon as the baby is born. The baby will be removed from her care. I know it’s hard but I think you need to try tough love and not take the baby in. Maybe that way she will step up and turn her life around.

LostTheMarble · 27/09/2024 11:15

BogRollBOGOF · 27/09/2024 11:04

Some possible outcomes:
*Daughter has baby, turns her life around everyone lives happily ever after.
*Daughter has abortion and doesn't have an 18+ year tie to an abusive addict should she wish to turn life around at some point.
*Daughter has baby but OP ends up caring for it temporarily/ permanently on a casual basis.
*Daughter has baby and social services intervene, strong chance of baby being removed into OP's or foster/ adoptive care. (With possible sequels as she hopes she may get to keep the baby)
*Daughter has baby and the abuse ramps up with tragic outcomes.
*Daughter has baby and its health and development are significantly affected by substance abuse from conception.

I would not be crossing my fingers and hoping that a happily ever after falls into place over the other more likely outcomes.

Even in families without abuse and substance abuse, it's not all rainbows and sprinkles when grandparents end up being the primary care givers.

Where there are many ACEs like in this case, there is a strong chance that the child will have developmental needs and/ or trauma and be complex to raise and meet the needs of.

I can't blame OP for being shocked and instinctively suggesting an abortion. OP is right to feel concerned about the potential impact on herself, her family, the grandchild and her daughter.

OP needs to alert social services (is daughter proactively organising herself for medical care and social support?) and needs to be very clear about what she can and can not support.

Absolutely this post. And if the op does end up having to take the child in, there will almost certainly be more. The next baby is a replacement for the first and so on, eventually SS take the following baby as soon as it’s delivered. I know someone who has several of their daughter’s children under their care, handed over from hours old.

SapphireSeptember · 27/09/2024 11:16

Aninabertsi · 27/09/2024 06:10

If she listens to you. She will hate and blame you for the rest of her life for pushing her to get an abortion.
If she doesn't- your predictions are only one of the possible outcomes. A pregnancy / a child changes people. Maybe not him, but it definitely will change her and saying she is not mother material!! Were you with 18!!!???

Plus think of the baby. Drug affected infants suffer horribly, fetal alcohol syndrome is another dreadful thing, and the amount of babies killed by abusive men is heartbreaking. Unless OP's DD ditches the pos boyfriend and quits drinking and drugs this kid has no chance. The options are the care system or OP looking after it, best outcome for the kid but not what OP wants.

midlifeattheoasis · 27/09/2024 11:19

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What a load of shit you talk. The OP has another older daughter and she doesn't talk about her being in such a situation.

TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2024 11:23

Your daughter has ended up with this man and doing drugs for a reason and although I'm not blaming you completely I think you should look more carefully about your imput, she has been failed.

I think in regard to the pregnancy an abortion would be best, anyone with some sense would see that but you can't make her opt for it.
All you can do is ask her how she is going to look after the baby, point out how difficult it will be and also make sure she is under no illusion you will be looking after it at all for her and if that means foster care then she will have to live with that.

StrongAutumn · 27/09/2024 11:28

Ohhh OP...

I am so, so sorry for this whole situation.

I agree with you that it would likely be the best option for your daughter to terminate given the dreadful circumstances. But it's her call and likely influenced by the POS. If he gets wind of the fact that you have suggestion an abortion he may well strongly suggest she goes ahead with the pregnancy, given that he's a 'difficult' man.

So she's going to do what she's going to do. Look after your three little ones and yourself (and husband) and let's hope that things turn out better than we fear.

Sending you love.

Pluvia · 27/09/2024 11:29

YankSplaining · 27/09/2024 00:06

You are not being unreasonable to be very concerned about the situation, but you are being unreasonable to dictate to your daughter thst she “needs” to have an abortion. You can only control your own behavior, and you don’t get to command her reproductive decisions.

Hold on a minute. OP's daughter has a habit of turning up on OP's doorstep when things go pear-shaped. OP hasn't dictated to her daughter, she's given a firm opinion based on current facts and past history. That's not dictating. And OP has every right to have a strong opinion, because as she's well-aware, the daughter will be factoring her in as a fall-back option for childcare when things go wrong.

shieldmaiden7 · 27/09/2024 11:30

No advice really OP but sending you some strength.
I hope the talk over the weekend goes well Flowers

Dontletthebedbugsbite2 · 27/09/2024 11:33

What's done is done. You can't change it so you need to decide whether you want to be supportive or take a step back. The best thing for this child is that the abusive father does leave & your daughter manages to live a life free of abuse. Maybe the risk taking behaviour is in relation to being physically abused in her relationship? Also, just to make you aware, domestic violence can escalate during pregnancy so it may be that your daughter needs you more now than ever.

Motnight · 27/09/2024 11:37

Pluvia · 27/09/2024 11:29

Hold on a minute. OP's daughter has a habit of turning up on OP's doorstep when things go pear-shaped. OP hasn't dictated to her daughter, she's given a firm opinion based on current facts and past history. That's not dictating. And OP has every right to have a strong opinion, because as she's well-aware, the daughter will be factoring her in as a fall-back option for childcare when things go wrong.

I agree with this.

SummerSnowstorm · 27/09/2024 11:37

ohdelay · 27/09/2024 11:05

Drugs, abusive boyfriend and poor decision making not enough? Unless all OPs kids are mainlining crack you'll struggle to make this her fault somehow. If in doubt, try personal responsibility. OPs daughter is 24 and making her own choices

That decision making comes from a damaged child. Just looking at the ages of the next set of kids it's clear OP probably moved on with her new family in the daughters vulnerable mid teens.

mumtotwo11 · 27/09/2024 11:49

Hey OP

Sorry you are having to go through this.

Honestly I have no relevant experience but didn't want to ignore. You sound like a lovely supportive mum. I'm sure last night was a shock for you.

I think perhaps today, now you are over the initial shock, you need to sit down with your dd and talk her through the options as you see them with her

Abortion is an option - but not really something you can force her to do.

Does she work? Have any kind of "normal life"? The place she has with her "partner", does she have any claim to it?

does she want to change her life? If she does surely this is a good thing - and I guess you can do what you can now to support her. I don't know, but as she is pregnant I'd assume there is more support she can access via gp/midwife etc. Id definitely suggest going with her to go/midwife to make sure they know the full story.

Contact the police every time the partner is abusive to you/your family. perhaps you need to look to a restraining order or something for the partner?

Perhaps you need to face that if she has the baby and you have to let it be adopted out of the family especially as if she doesn't change things chances are there will be more babies.

As I say, I've no experience but just wanted to try to a bit "practical "

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