Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

These threads are always very revealing of how gender believers see the world.

That's been the case from the start because piggle does not want to at any point acknowledge that women's dignity and privacy is being compromised because they are fine with it.

To hell with any woman who has a problem. They should suck it up and be educated because they are bigots.

We got the message from the first post tbh

There has never been one single report of a transwoman assaulted in a male space.

Never. Not one. Not one single one.

Hundreds though of transwomen assaulting females in the female spaces. Including police reports and court reports.

I don’t want to get changed with cis men- that would compromise my dignity and safety

That's fair enough. Can you explain why you think that?

I can't believe Piggle would be happy to undress with transwomen but not cis men when transwomen have even higher offending rates, or that they think this is a perfectly reasonable request, but women wanting female-only space without males of any identity is horrible.

I wouldn't say revealing. These views are pretty standard worldwide. Why women are now being forced to defend their right to single sex spaces is what's revealing.

So how does this work if they transition BEFORE they get caught?

(Noting that that this gives a massive window of 'opportunity' to identify as trans but because actively raping. And noting that the cloak of trans makes it harder for women to be taken seriously if there is a problem because they might fear the impact on making an accusation against someone with protected status).

What a load of bollocks.

Literally.

Won't it get rather confusing if they are both called "women" though?

How would you label them in a way that makes it clear who can use which ones?

Men, Women+, TERFs?

Oh. Piggle wants to mark one set of changing rooms as the EVIL TERF set and the other women. So, of course, that won't put any of the women in the GC facilities at risk from insane TRAs at all.

Does the average 55 year old scrub nurse who immigrated to the UK three years ago know what a TERF is?

Does the average 25 year old junior doctor who really doesn't want to get changed in the company of male people feel happy being labelled a TERF?

I’ve lost count of the amount of police reports I have processed in my career. It’s quite a lot. Yet to process one where a transwoman has been attacked for being trans, in a changing room or otherwise.

Processed quite a few where a trans identifying man is the perpetrator though…

Just my personal experience of course.

‘No. because I do not want to change in a free for all space’

😂😂 really? Well guess what. I do not want my female only spaces to be free for all for anyone who calls themselves ‘a woman’. Your cognitive dissonance is off the scale 😂

‘Especially as you people apparently see no reason why a third space for a specific group might be outing , degrading or unsafe?’

It’s a third space for anyone. Not for a specific group. But you knew that. And with regards to you stating ‘you people’ - you bigot.

I do remember one very extreme TRA suggested this same solution, that there would be a space just for women who excluded him, and all the women cheered!

It is an alternative provided the largest space is for the women who want female only spaces. And that those female people who demand to be able to change with male people who believe they are female are kept safe from their own lack of sexual boundaries.

I expect it would fall on its arse within time but if an organisation has funds and facilities and it is clearly marked. And it needs to be very clear.

Exactly. I can see how there are a few headbangers out there who might attack a transwoman in the toilets of the local dive pub after a few, but then they'd probably beat up a gay guy or a guy who looked at them wrong too. Is it really a big enough threat for us to do away with women's safe spaces though? I think not. There's certainly no evidence that it's a big issue.

Oh. Piggle wants to mark one set of changing rooms as the EVIL TERF set and the other women. So, of course, that won't put any of the women in the GC facilities at risk from insane TRAs at all.

They want us to be punished in some way for standing up for women and girls and not going along with what these males and their friends want.

In reality, as I said, however anyone feels about it it will be crystal clear that the non "TERF" room is a mixed sex space. How long we can maintain the women only space as women only is another matter.

Sadly a big problem in the NHS and if staff complain they are deemed to be difficult so advised to keep quiet.

This is the thing, anyone who speaks up is labelled difficult or worse, so it might appear that more people don't care than do, but it's not the reality, is it? People are just scared that they'll attract a negative label or lose their jobs if they say no to men in female spaces. It's horrifying.

Exactly, it's a chilling effect. Thankfully, legal wins have happened that are making some organisations think twice about discriminating against women in this way. It will filter through eventually. Around 80% of gender critical cases are successful, according to recent research by Jo Phoenix, herself a successful claimant, against the Open University.

Piggle Toes doesn't want to change in a "free for all" space in front of "cis men"....if you enter a third space changing room to the sight of a naked male, how do you know if it's a transwoman or a man? Is a special lady-ballsack daintier and prettier or something?

I have so much admiration for people like Jo who stand up to this stuff when it could cost them everything. Then we have people who are still scared to tell us what their definition of a woman is on an anonymous forum where nothing will happen to them at all. Says it all.

Ah the old ‘cognitive dissonance’ line is back. Anyone who doesn’t tow the GC line has cognitive dissonance. Do you actually understand what it means?!

YANBU at all, and I suspect the vote on this thread pretty much represents how the general population views the situation.

So if Em, 50, Dre and Dwayne J said they identified as women and were no longer "cis men" would your dignity and safety be preserved and you'd have no issues?

It’s “toe the line”. I don’t think you know what the expression means.