Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

[TealTraybake]

Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

Add “a liar” to the list,

^I don’t want to get changed with cis men- that would compromise my dignity and safety.*

That's fine. Your space, your labels, your rules. There would have to be a line drawn somewhere then, I guess? Wonder where you'd draw it.

Would you be happy getting changed with Katie Dolatowski?

Yes, thank you for admitting you are.

Well you would have to describe it in a way that is both factual and neutral. Realistically this means you have "female", "male" and "gender neutral", and you tell all staff (including new joiners) that they are free to use either the facilities corresponding to their birth registered sex, or the gender neutral ones.

Yes.

I have not said any of those those things.

Fascinatingly enough the ONLY post of mine you engaged with was that one

Not ANY of the ones pointing out equality and reasonable adjustments.

Funny that.

Perhaps you would like to engage with those.

Tilts head.

I thought you were flouncing about 2hrs ago anyway.

Can you not think of any reason why any female person would be unsafe in a changing room with males who have their penis and testicles intact?

No I don’t want to go to unisex. I don’t want to change with people who identify as men. That would comprimise my dignity and safety,

you said there could be a third space for trans women. All I’m asking for is that women like me can be added to it- strictly on the basis of consent- and we can call it a “trans inclusive womens space”. Why is that unacceptable to you?

Can you be clear?

Because we do keep hearing from males who have fully transitioned who do still use male single sex toilets and they report that they have no issues they cannot easily handle with a quick friendly comment.

So, if you have any evidence of any increase in crimes being committed in the UK against male trans people in male single sex spaces, please can you provide it?

Otherwise, this kind of post just comes across as emotional manipulation, whether you intended it to or not.

So, spell it out for me. You don't want transwomen using male spaces. You don't want transwomen using 'third' spaces as that also compromises their dignity. That seems to leave female spaces.

Can I safely assume that your only solution is for transwomen to use the female spaces and that you are happy for that solution to be implemented?

Thank you 🙏🏻

BECAUE MEN ARE RAPISTS AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL WOMEN

YOU GO INTO UNISEX WITH THE MEN IN DRESSES FILL YOUR BOOTS - MY DAUGHTER CANNOT CONSENT TO YOUR NEEDS

What is different about a man who identifies as a man, and a man who identifies as anything else?

Wait...what?

You think it's reasonable for YOU to object to getting undressed in the presence of "cis men" but that other women who object to getting undressed in the presence of trans women are hostile and exclusionary?

The difference between a trans woman and a cis man is something that only you and a few other people believe in!

Are we suddenly supposed to respect your right not to get changed in the presence of cis men male colleagues when you've been relentlessly disregarding other women's right not to get changed in the presence of, er, male colleagues?

The hypocrisy is off the scale.

For what it's worth, I don't think "cis men" are likely to be any more interested in using the gender neutral option than "cis women" are. But even if they did want to, calling it, "Women only (trans inclusive)" isn't going to stop them, because all they would have to do is say, "I am trans". The same way literally any man today can say, "I am trans" and use women's changing rooms, which is why we want them to be for female users only and not male users who say the magic words "I am a woman". Because literally anyone can say those words.

Has any one got the stats that demonstrate that trans women are at least as likely, if not more, to commit violent/sexual crimes than any other man as I’m very confused that @PiggleToes thinks that she’s at risk around some men but not others ?

I’m not speaking for all women. You are!!! I’m asking for there to be two spaces for women. One for women like you and one for women like me+ trans women !

No I don’t want to go to unisex. I don’t want to change with people who identify as men. That would comprimise my dignity and safety,

"Identify as men" here is meaningless. The Scottish government is apparently going to make it illegal for male rapists to identify as women. But presumably you would accept their self identity, even if it wasn't legally sanctioned? They don't "identify as men" do they? So they would compromise the safety and dignity of both you and the other women in the space.

I cannot see how logically this could be objectionable.

have to go pick up my kids

you said there could be a third space for trans women. All I’m asking for is that women like me can be added to it- strictly on the basis of consent- and we can call it a “trans inclusive womens space”

That's fine, because it will be filled with males, and 1% of the female population.

Then the females have the female space.

Males have the male space.

Trans and trans inclusive males like yourself have the third space.

As we said, all along.

Good. Thats over.

those poor kids. make your daughter get changed in front of naked men do you?

If not, why not?

I'll be interested in your responses when you return, if you would be so kind @PiggleToes

Good, you can change with the males in your space and see male genitals to your hearts content.

Good, you finally agree then.

He doesn't have any kids. He's making an excuse to flee, once again.

So you are expecting three spaces - one for male people, one for female people where trans people can also go and one is for female only people.

Which space do non-binary people use here by the way?

How does this even work? How is it labelled?

Do you see how this is 'outing' as you keep claiming you want to avoid?

How do we tell whether someone is a trans woman or a man who has decided to use women’s spaces?