Female nurses have to get changed with a male. They are told to go to another room. The man keeps the female changing room to himself. Wtaf is going on?

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Female nurses ‘forced out of changing rooms’ after complaining about trans colleague

NHS whistleblowers dubbed ‘Darlington Five’ say they feel ‘humiliated and dehumanised’

Read in The Telegraph: https://apple.news/AC7RGaXTPTYe2J4CAixEvDw

I think the other male nurses should get changed in there too and leave the other one for the ladies. I mean, the interloper can hardly object there are other men in the female changing room, now can he???

Why are you pursuing all this whataboutery though? If there are female changing rooms, they should be for women. The fact you have no changing rooms at your place makes no difference. If it wasn’t changing rooms, it’d be toilets; same principle.

It may be a non-issue for you, but it clearly isn’t for women who are expected to change at work.

So what’s your take on that, the actual issue under discussion, rather than the different circumstances at your workplace?

”Suck it up, women, we have a man’s sexual demands to pander to here”?

Bearing in mind this man has made it pretty clear he got off on watching the women get undressed when they were still using the women’s changing room, going so far as to hover behind one woman who was trying to wait for him to leave, and ask her when she was going to get changed. So he could ogle her.

(I'm presuming they’re now changing elsewhere and no longer sharing changing facilities with him but the archive version of the article won’t load for me, so I can’t actually read it.)

We all wear uniform to work and home again.

How is that relevant to the situation theses nurses find themselves in?

"warning that their “behaviour” could lead to disciplinary action"
I fucking dare them! Id forego take aways to contribute to the crowdfunder!

@endofthelinefinally it's not particularly, but several posters have mentioned their usual practice.

I totally agree that this man shouldn’t be allowed in the female facilities. Any comment Ive made about travelling in to work in uniform is made with the thought that if management don’t like it then it could be a way of forcing them to deal with the issue.

id also ask for union support but id be amazed if they were supportive. I’d more imagine they’d be on the side of the man. Unions are very “woke”.

Re travelling in uniform:

The evidence that it is a cross infection risk to patients or the public is actually very weak. However:

• Many trusts/employers have specific policies prohibiting it.
• Many members of the public believe there is a cross infection issue and therefore perceive staff travelling in their uniforms as unprofessional.
• Travelling in your uniform can (especially for female staff) leave them more exposed to sexual harassment on their journey and thus become a safety issue.
• As a nurse I want to control who and in what situations I am recognised as a nurse. That is difficult to do if travelling in your uniform.
• The act of changing out of your uniform and into your own clothes can be an important psychological step to separate work from home life and thus help support their wellbeing.
• Sometimes you feel disgusting after a shift and want to change into fresh clothing.
• Meeting the small ask of providing appropriate, clean and private changing facilities can be an important way employers show they value staff.

That is what I can think of off the top of my head. Any, all or none of them could apply to individual staff. These women are asking for respect and consideration which is the minimum they are entitled to. The Trust should be ashamed of themselves for the way they have conducted themselves and especially how they have trampled all over the women’s reasonable boundaries.

You've never actually worked in an operating theatre have you, just watched Grey's Anatomy and Holby City 😂

Anyway, these nurses work in a day surgery unit, not a 'normal' hospital ward and are expected to change into fresh scrubs at the start of every shift. I have worked in dozens of different hospital theatre units and I have never come across one where it is acceptable to travel to work in scrubs, so I've no idea why the idea of them doing so is even part of the debate.

And as others have said, even if they could choose to travel in uniform, why should they have to?

How, just how, in anyone’s universe can you consider this be a ‘non-issue’? It’s clearly enough of an issue to make the national press and enough women lose their shit over the sheer screaming unfairness of it all, if nothing else!

As a nurse yourself I’d expect you to have more empathy for your fellow nurses.

Worked on a labour ward for 15 plus years, believe me I spend enough time in theatre. Maybe it's different in general compared to obs? 😆 We gown up to "receive" the baby so we touch the surgeon mid operation

Like I said I can't read the article even with the link so no idea where they work.

They may not be allowed to travel in scrubs but if I had a choice between breaking the rules regarding travelling in scrubs or getting changed in front of a random man I'd be travelling in scrubs.

A good thread here for anyone interested. A couple of fabulous Twitter X links from people addressing the nonsense / insanity which leads to such stories as this one.

Terf island - thank goodness..

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5173135-id-never-been-so-proud-to-live-on-terf-island

I genuinely don't know if you are being serious or taking the piss lol I honestly never thought the day would come where I can't tell if something is quite obviously satire

What do you mean? I don’t understand? Do you think people are trans just to make women uncomfortable?

There is a lot of de-railing on this thread to make it about healthcare workers travelling in their uniforms rather than a male being permitted to change in the female changing room.

There are only a very few circumstances in with sexual-dimorphism should limit a persons rights and behaviour those are;

• Any space you are having to expose or manage the functions your body parts that are not acceptable to be shown in public .... toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards.

• Any place that the there is a reason that someone with more physical strength may come in to contact with someone elses body i.e. sports.

• Any service where someone with the opposite sex's body parts puts you in a physically vulnerable/emotionally compromised position that you cannot enage with that servicei.e. rape shelters and prison.

Thats it. All the other things in life are already gender neutral (thanks to feminism)

I support an inclusion forth place (3rd being for disabled bodies) or individual cubicles for accomodation for people who feel going into the space assigned to their sex is uncomfortable.

Eh? So women are forced out of the space that is designated theirs and now get changed in an office because some bloke wants to take over their changing room?

This is not ok.

This is what these men want. To invade and take over women's spaces. Sorry to sound all Daily Mail anti immigrant type language but still.....

There are many reasons that people identify as trans. Some men do it to make women uncomfortable. But I think you know that so fuck off with your faux naivety.

There is a crowd finder this story along with anosimilar highlighted in Feminism

Just stop the loading process for the page halfway to read the full article.

A Roth space wouldn’t work as many of these men want to feel validated “as a woman” so will try everything to insist on being allowed in female spaces.

my employer has an online training anti discrimination package which we have to complete annually. One of the scene is a transitioning male born person wants to use female toilets and the women in the dept aren’t happy. The question is what should the manager do. And the answer apparently is tell the naughty women off about their discriminatory behaviour 🤷‍♀️. Surely this is wrong? We are entitled to single sex space.

you can’t wear surgical scrubs outside the department to ensure theatre hygiene, you can’t wear contaminated uniform outside the hospital for the protection of public health. Sometimes spills, vomit etc happens and you need to change mid shift.

why can’t women have a womens changing room?

In my NHS trust we're not allowed to go out in our uniform. We have to change or cover up. You shouldnt bw able to be recognised as NHS apparently.
So we do need (and have) changing rooms

So what about when this person uses the women's toilets or decides it's their right to perform intimate care/procedures on women who have requested female only healthcare for a multitude of trains related, religious or guest privacy reasons? They're a woman right so that's fine?

By “do it” you mean… be trans? So you think a desire to make women uncomfortable is the reason why some people are trans? You mention “many reasons”. So one is apparently to make women uncomfortable; What do you believe the other reasons are out of curiosity?

(also I note you telling me to “fuck off” for asking you to clarify the meaning of your very concerning post. )