To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

Please save your fury for the breeders who breed and sell flat faced breeds, breeds designed to fight or guard (except to the army or police), working breeds that they then sell as pets (including working labs, huskies, Malis etc) and who live truely miserable lives with one walk a day if they're lucky, giant breeds that die at 7 of heart failure because their hearts haven't caught up with body size, breeders who breed dogs with folds of skin that gets infected, dogs with long backs that ache and break, tiny, delicate dogs that get crushed and are terrified, the list goes on.

It means that breed creates less common allergens than other breeds and therefore less histamine release when allergens/antigens come into contact with mast cells and oesinophils.
What do you think it means?

the majority of cross breeding of inbred dogs results in fewer fatal and disadvantageous genes as most are recessive. You will still get them, but as you need recessive genes from both parents if’s less likely with a cross breed.

Our cross breed is lovely, as are his siblings, the therapy dogs the breeder provides every couple of litters. He doesn’t shed, drool, was easy to train, his recall and understanding is perfect. He doesn’t jump up, gets on well with the cat, never steals food. he does bark when the doorbell goes though. But, we can live with that.
His parents and grandparents were the same breed, but not related - we knew what size he would be too.

This.
And to then get so vociferous about how the breeders must be “BYB” by definition because they breed a cross of 2 dogs, implying that unethical behaviour is something never seen in the pedigree dog world is bizarre.

They test for hereditary problems because restricting the genetic pool, which is the whole point, tends to breed in more and more problems over time. It becomes necessary to do genetic testing to compensate for that. All of these common issues in purebred dogs come from over-breeding and stupid breed standards. Maybe these people don't really know so much about dog breeding as they think.

Of course every time you take a dog out of the pool you restrict the genetic variation more.

People understand why this is a bad idea with humans, I have no idea why they believe it's a good idea with dogs.

And presumably those showing at Crufts didn't buy from backyard breeders, and yet their dogs are some of the most deformed

Mumsnet is a strange place when it comes to dogs. There are one or two people on here who are vocal about dogs and know what they're talking about, but the vast majority of people on here who attempt to discuss dogs really don't have a clue. It's a shame, because other people see these comments and think it's perfectly OK to get their stupidly named puppy from Facebook Marketplace without a single thought for anyone but themselves. Then the poor thing ends up in rescue when they can't cope with a ridiculous cross of two demanding breeds. It's pathetic.

I really couldn't care less what anyone on here thinks of me for sharing my thoughts. You're the ones who have forked out silly money on crosses. Thank goodness I'm involved with reputable dog people who actually care about dogs. People who work tirelessly to rehome the thousands of crossbreeds in rescue.

If you buy a crossbred puppy, you are literally contributing to the rescue crisis in the UK.

Our breeder does all that- shows the Kennel Club registered parents at Crufts, thorough health and DNA testing etc

I did research the breed, made sure we had the lineage and records of the thorough health and DNA testing they do. We did have to wait because the breeder is so reputable….. We visited multiple times before and after we’d been matched.

So do not continue to ignore what I have told you repeatedly. Our cockapoo breeder was an excellent well respected breeder.

Newsflash you can get shit pedigree breeders!!! A pedigree does not make you a good breeder and a cross doesn’t make you a bad breeder.

So froth away, you’re sounding ridiculous.

But those behaviours are not only exhibited by people that breed Poodle crosses. Look at what has happened to the health of so many pedigree dog breeds in pursuit of the breed standard. And puppy farmers exist for pure breeds too. Could you perhaps explain what the issue with breeders of Poodle crosses are that aren’t seen in breeders of other types of dog because I really don’t get it.

Mongrel means three different breeds or more.

Crossbread means two purebred parents of two different breeds.

Pedigree means two purebred parents of the same breed, both of which need to meet the breed standard to be or potentially be registered with a society or club that keeps a register for that particular breed.

I have a crossbreed poo mix. We didn’t pay more than rescue / adoption fees, she was not a rescue but needed rehoming as previous owner passed away. Had her 8 years now. She caught our eye and stole our hearts to be honest. She wasn’t a “designer” purchase 😆

Pure breeds usually have more health issues unfortunately. My childhood cross breed outlived our other pedigree dog. My friends pedigree died at 5 years. It’s never a given.

And we did not get our dogs from Facebook marketplace or Petsathome both of which sell many many pedigree dogs .

Pedigree V cross doesn’t define you as a breeder.

If you have a KC registered dog, you can show it. Many puppy farmers breed puppies that they KC register. Many of them are fraudulent applications.

If you actually went to Crufts this year, you'd see that many dogs who were seen to be too extreme in certain traits (pugs, GSDs etc), were not allowed to compete.

As I've already said, reputable breeders are working to breed OUT these exaggerated features. Yet again the issue lies with uneducated, or entitled people buying badly bred dogs, pedigree or not.

No it doesn't.

I’ve got a poodle mix who’s great- 9 years old and never been to a vet, intelligent and easy to train plus no dog hair everywhere.
I wasn’t looking for that breed in particular though, just any cheap mongrel.

Our girl is a cross not a mongrel
as both parents are pure bread - not that I give a shiny shit.

It's a look over there tactic.

They don't want people to see the horrific outcomes of the kennel club system in terms of dogs with serious health issues, degenerative diseases, short lifespans, reduced fertility, and behavioural issues.

If you try and list the number of breeds totally fucked by this system you run out of fingers before you finish.

But it's the doodle breeders who are the bad ones! What a crock.

Oh, I'm really not. This thread is already in a dog showing forum and the responses to your comments are most amusing.

You can keep attempting to defend someone who is deliberately breeding mongrels as much as you like. The fact is, they're still deliberately breeding mongrels. They are NOT reputable and you're embarrassing yourself by insisting that they are.

It very much shows that this is your first dog.

Hovis or Warburtons?

I’ll fix it for you. Cross = mongrel, whether you like the term or not.

A crossbreed dog will have parents who are each pure breed or pedigree dog but from different breeds. These have become incredibly popular over the last few years as owners get excited about new dog breeds and it can help move away from inherent health conditions so prevalent with pedigree and purebred dogs.

A mixed-breed dog will have at least one parent that isn’t a pedigree or pure breed dog. These are also sometimes referred to as a mongrel or mutt or even a Heinz 57 but they all mean the same thing; a dog of not definitive breed parentage. This isn’t a bad thing though, in fact, it’s usually a good thing. Mix bred dogs are less likely to be predisposed to breed-specific health problems and even if you’re buying them as a puppy, they tend to be a lot cheaper.

I have a nearly 9 year old Cockapoo, she didn't cost a fortune and I knew she'd potentially be a bit lively as her mum was a working cocker spaniel. She chose me and we adore her, so does everyone she meets. She's well behaved unless we leave a sock on the floor, then it's fair game.

I grew up with dogs, both were a Heinz 57. First was an absolute diamond and our second was a total little bugger.

Leave people alone, live and let live and most of all be kind.

Not the dogs fault but the owners fault. This can happen with any breed of dog. I have a 12 year old cockapoo and he’s been nothing but a joy. He doesn’t cast hair which is a bonus. Yes he’s a mongrel so what? He’s a lovely boy and great with children.

@WalkingonWheels If cross breeding was never to have happened, pure breeds simply would not exist!

What about being kind to all the poor souls who end up in rescue centres, because guess what? Only reputable breeders have a return to breeder clause in their contract...

😂 Errr you really are. Froth away. I don’t care . More than happy with our choice of dog and reputable breeder. 😊

My neighbours used to keep Newfoundland dogs. None made it past 5. They were the most passive lethargic creatures - nothing like the ones you used to see in the old days which were working animals. Their breeder won shows with her dogs though.

These are all registered dogs so why people think the kennel club registration helps anything I do not understand. You can get a registered dog from a full on puppy mill.

My brother had a KC registered newfie, he died last year aged 13. Your neighbour was unlucky