To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

I thought this was an interesting read

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/104291536

How odd. What's the breeders affix?

Most Newfies being shown that have come from reputable breeders are working dogs. They are lethargic when not working.

Well yeah. It was made up to con the uneducated out of money. It worked.

We've had a few dogs over the years...all pedigrees except our wonderful Labradoodle, that we've just lost, aged 13.

All our dogs, have been gorgeous & well behaved but have had breed related health issues & we sadly lost one at just 5 years old. Our Labradoodle was, genuinely, the sweetest dog I've ever known, never ailed a thing until the last weeks of her life & was the perfect family dog...she was something else!

When we got her they were nowhere near as popular as now but we got her because of the non shedding, we'd read good things about their temperament & we just liked the look of them!

They look so fucking cute that they have the unfortunate habit of attracting certain people who want cute and cuddly and don’t really do their research into the breeds that have gone into them. I wouldn’t say that’s true for all cases.. but certainly quite a few! It’s a shame really.
I have two myself. A cavapoo and a cockapoo. I am well aware they’re not ‘real’ breeds but people understand exactly what I mean when I say that, so it’s for ease. Both are absolutely cracking dogs, although the cockapoo is a bit of a berk for acting the fool in public, despite my best efforts. Barking and pulling and whatnot, if given the chance. The cavapoo is just an all-round angel. I didn’t exactly choose either breed, they just sort of came to me (making me an accidental -poo owner!) but I’m very glad they did.

All of this happens all the time with purebred dogs.

Why would anyone spend thousands on German Shepherds that can't walk, Grate Danes that live a shortened life, Golden Retrievers with skin conditions, a whole variety of dogs that can't breathe, hyperactive crazy dogs like Dalmatians or Weimaraners, imbecile dogs like Irish Setters, or dogs with back and joint issues like basset hounds, corgis, etc,?

I am not endorsing poodle crosses or saying people are right.. But i think the reasons are:
They look cute.
They are rumoured not to shed
People percieve crossbreeds to be healthier than a KC purebred something.

I also think that whilst things are supposed to be demand led, sometimes it's supply led. Someone wants a dog, they look for a dog, there are lots of poodle crosses available, sometimes from seemingly nice breeders. When we looked for a dog french bulldogs seemed to be the thing to have and it waa hard to find say a cairn terrier instead.

Did you not read any of my previous comments about pedigree dogs?

It's Great Dane, by the way.

Various sources online suggest mongrel is mutiple and or unknown breeds (had one of these myself, prob 3 breeds or more, hard to know what, also known as mutts or Heinz 57 dogs). Crossbreeds referred to when you know it’s two breeds combined eg knowing it’s lab x collie or whatever. On our pet insurance our current dog is classed as cross breed as we can state the two different breeds involved. On old dog we had no idea what breeds it was multiple. On the pedigree terrier it was listed as a pure breed.

https://manypets.com/uk/articles/difference-between-pedigree-mixed-breed-crossbreed/

https://www.admiral.com/magazine/guides/pet/pedigree-crossbreed-or-mongrel-which-kind-of-dog-should-i-choose

Oh thank you for noticing my typo, it's very helpful.

I've read all your comments.

Your argument seems to be that by definition, if a person breeds dogs that are different breeds together, they are bad breeders.

All of the things you say about "good" breeders who try and improve the breed could equally apply to someone breeding together two dogs of separate breeds. A pp gave a good example, people cross-breeding a flat faced breed to mitigate against health issues related to that. Dalmatians were another example where this was done systematically to correct a serious genetic fault.

Many modern breeds were created in just this way - breeding dogs with a variety of characteristics in order to move toward a dog with certain traits they wanted.

There is a reason sled dogs are normally crosses (in fact mixes, not crosses) that there have to be rules in greyhound racing to prevent crossing out in order to improve performance, and in other areas of animal husbandry, that cross breeding is so normative in agricultural settings. It has significant advantages.

The dictionary definition of mongrel:

mongrel
noun
uk
/ˈmʌŋ.ɡrəl/ us 
/ˈmʌŋ.ɡrəl/
a dog whose parents are of different breeds
Synonyms
cur (DOG) literary
mutt (DOG) mainly US

HTH

And by the same token, many purebred breeders are in it for the money and produce shitty unhealthy dogs.

Pure vs crossbreed isn't the difference between the two groups.

Clearly you know nothing about dog sledding in the UK, as crossbreeds cannot compete.

My honest opinion is people know an extremely limited range of dog breeds. There are so many beautiful breeds with consistent look, temperament and traits. Lots of dogs are low shed and they come in different shapes and sizes. There's no need to cross breeds to get a suitable dog. Purebreds breed consistently so breed traits are reliable indicators of suitability to your lifestyle.

I giggle to myself reading the above posts amd think everyone has their "type" of dog. Mine is terriers as I love their cheeky independence and intelligence. I've also got a cocker. Let's just say she gets by on her looks LOL

A dictionary is hardly going to give you a technical definition of a word, Jesus.

I'm done 😂

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I've chosen a non molt cross breed ( not a poo although considering one) due to family health issues. Surely that's an ok consideration?
I've had a Labrador and can't imagine anything nicer than that and a poodle mix tbh.

The most reputable breeders of pedigree dogs are not going to use their best prizewinning champion stud animals to produce crossbreeds.

The less scrupulous breeders might, on the other hand, look at the scatterbrained animals with less good conformation or a slightly dodgy temper and think 'What the heck? I can make a shedload of money here'.

Good - I think you need a break from your angry ranting - maybe go and have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.

Most of the poos/ doodles that I’ve met have been friendly. Maybe a bit jumpy but I’ve never met a vicious one. Personally prefer this trend to the XL bully one.

Dogsledding is hardly a mainly UK pass time.

Why comment on it, then? And the dog sledding community in the UK is actually quite large, and is a pastime (not pass time 😂) for many of us 👍

We have a poodle cross breed who is absolutely beautiful, fantastic with children, has a wonderful temperament is and well trained. Why wouldn’t a dog like that be popular?

Our new neighbour has a young Cockapoo and it's the most adorable, well behaved and intelligent dog.

It was from a reputable breeder though and there are loads of "lesser" breeds I see on walks who are just not the same unfortunately.