To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

I didn’t say she was aggressive because she was a cockapoo.

It wasn’t out of the blue, it was behaviour we were working with a professional on. She had been fully checked over by the vets too for a medical condition.

We were very loving and sensible owners, we had everything checked.

@YoYoYoYo12345

You mentioned pom poms. I pointed out that it’s stupid humans that cut them like that. A poodle can look like a normal dog. I just didn’t know whether people knew that. You didn’t.

You don’t like poodles but then you are recommending a poodle cross which seems somewhat weird. You could very well get a cross that is very like a poodle.

HTH.

Depends on the breed; with pugs or whatever you may be right but all my dogs have had distinctive colouration and even my neighbours/people in our village could tell the two sisters apart... Our previous boy was from French working lines and looked totally different in build and coat from our earlier dog that came from show stock despite being the same breed.

Oh you really do -

and

yes they do

Which breed do you have? Sorry if you've mentioned.

The 2 cockapoos I know are so loving and chilled, to the point one goes into schools as a therapy dog! Whereas my friends’ labradors (2 separate households) are smelly and nosy and their tails hurt me. Plus doodle breeds are apparently hypoallergenic. I generally dislike dogs so that’s my view as an outsider 😄 PLUS doodles are prettier than boring Labrador types.

It’s actually a poodle that’s supposedly hypoallergenic. Although even that is debatable.

When you cross another breed with a poodle, you have no idea what the puppies will be like.

It’s a myth that poodle crosses are hypoallergenic.

Pyrenean. Some are pure white but all ours have been marked with colour on ears and head, three had a few body patches too. Personally we don't like ours bathed and fluffety like a showring dog though, we prefer them to look like a working dog...
I love them for their temperament, independent nature and they're my emotional support (autism/anxiety), they look after me (guarding breed). I'm not so much a dog person really though, much prefer cats so it's why I've stuck with the one breed for 47 years; I understand their traits and know what to expect from them. Like most neurodiverse people, I don't like change, I need stability.

Oh I actually looked these up recently as somebody on another doodle thread had one and they sounded lovely. They are beautiful! Actually, whilst looking them up, you may not like to hear, that I came across a pyrepoo 🙈😂

You will know, if the parents have been dna tested. I knew mine would have a long, wavy coat and would be a minimal shedder.

But yes, the hypoallergenic thing is debatable. I definitely think low shedders work for people with some dog allergies though.

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DNA testing the parents will not tell you what type of coat their offspring will have.

Unless of course you are many, many generations down the line of breeding doodles. But sadly that's just not the case.
I hope that there are people out there breeding towards a good breed standard, creating that urban family dog everyone seems to wants ...

Errr you're wrong. If a parent carries 2 of certain genes, then you'll know what offspring they'll have.

Please do your research before laughing at things you haven't a clue about.

😂 oh dear.

It's hilarious, are YOU a poodle 🐩 breeder?

That's lovely 😍

I’m glad you are amused although I can’t for the life of me see what’s funny. I was just educating you as you seem clueless.

Leaves thread.

Mine’s an Australian Labradoodle, so at least 7 generations in and had an effective pedigree and significant health testing. Most breeds were developed 100+ years ago for purposes lost in time. Maybe we need to develop new breeds for this millennium that suit modern lives. Far rather people have a doodle than any form of Bully, Rotveiller, GSD etc etc.

Don't leave the thread!

I'm as confused as you why somebody would have such strong dislike for a breed that makes up half of the dog they own. That IS actually funny 😂

How can a Spaniel / Labrador & a Poodle have the same hairy gene?
Also, who actually offers this kind of testing? It would cost a fortune as it isn't a routine test... and my point stands, no guarantee because a) the 'hairy gene' in dogs is also linked to other features b) even if you cross a cockapoo wit a cookerpoo as an F2 hybrid, you still run the risk of a throw back, because, the gene is hiding somewhere, all you need is to dogs carrying that dormant gene... and it's bye bye Poodle coat for 50% of that litter.

Granted, it's all very complex, and there is a lot more to it... but a simple DNA test doesn't cut it in this case.

So yes, I have done my homework, I do know a bit about genetics and breeding.

Indeed. Times change. Dogs stuck with uses that aren't needed anymore aren't necessary.

My dog's sire is a doodle. He'd been genetically tested... it's not expensive. He had 2 copies of the low shedding gene (I researched this all before I got her so cannot recall the correct gene names now, but can dig out his paperwork if need be) therefore all his pups would be low shedding. He had 1 copy of the curl gene which meant roughly 50% of his offspring would be curly and none would have an "improper" flat coat. All his offspring would have long hair. All his offspring would have facial furnishings.

This is 100% and turned out to be correct in any case.

You're right in it probably doesn't work in an F1 doodle, but it certainly does in F2s and multi generational doodles, as mine is

I agree with you.

I think some things are made up as people go along.

Others insist a particular type eg poodle is the best. Its personal preference really. A cross bred dog that doesn't have the strange poodle look, that not nice poodle fur for example comes out much better when mixed with another breed IMO. No idea why people throw their toys out the dog basket or flounce if you don't agree with them though. 🙄

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. What are these uses that aren't needed any more? Please elaborate because aside from dog fighting or bear baiting I can't think of any and even those are (sadly) still commonplace in some countries.

If you think I'm making it up, Google it. The SD Locus gene is responsible for shedding. The Cu Locus is for a curly coat.

There you go again being hilarious, thinking I'd bother to lie 😂

And poodles don't look strange! Fully coated they look like a doodle. If anybody round here's strange, it most certainly isn't a poodle.

No, I figured you knew that - but I think a lot of people do not understand at all that there is a difference to the way breeds are managed today, and the kinds of natural types for certain kinds of work, or which evolved, in earlier times.

And there seem to be several people on the thread who would like to make it seem like it's the on;y way to think of dog types.