To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

Rubbish.

I really don’t know. Some poodle owners are caught up in the idea that the stupid shaved faces, pom poms etc., are how a poodle should look. The stupid cuts have done nothing for the breed. Underneath those cuts is a proper dog! 😂

Nope in my opinion which is just as relevant as yours poodles are awful, anxious, highly strung and some have those awful pom pom haircuts, what is that all about 😂

My sil had 2 and they were dreadful dogs. I wouldn't get one ever. You do you and others can and do in increasing numbers avoid poodles for hybrids instead.

That’s an owner issue not a dog. We have one, sort of acquired, farmer to farmer. She is highly intelligent and a dream to train. She has bags of energy but has acres to roam. She has excellent recall and isn’t allowed to greet people until we take her off her stay command.
The issue isn’t the breed, it’s the people who buy them and don’t realise that’s two highly intelligent and high energy dogs rolled into one. My labradoodle requires as much exercise as my gsd.

Any breed can have dogs that turn out like your sister’s dogs. You just can’t use two dogs as evidence to condemn an entire breed, as being dreadful.

Why on earth recommend a poodle cross, if you really think poodles are awful? When you breed dogs, you can’t pick and choose which traits they inherit.

Poodles aren’t born with stupid haircuts. It’s stupid humans who cut them like that. Our poodle is cut the same all over and looks like a normal dog. This is what a poodle looks like at nine weeks. See, no stupid pom poms!

Baffled at how people who own poodle crosses don't understand why poodles are in certain cuts 😂

I think the dislike is partly because these dogs are deliberately created and therefore less likely to be rescue dogs, and partly because there is a feeling that these dogs are engineer to be easier (shedding etc.) and that the owners are somehow not "fully committed." Also, a suspicion that backyard breeders are likely to be involved a lot of the time.

That's because they don't do their research in order to find out all about of the Poodle & their coat!

Omg how adorable! I am enjoying the non shedding of our labradoodle, once she’s fully out of puppyhood I think I might get a standard poodle. Having had a Quick Look, they are like hens teeth here in north east Scotland.

Well, exactly. It's embarrassing enough that they genuinely believe that people breeding crosses could ever be reputable, but not to know anything about the breed they've supposedly extensively researched? Honestly 😂

Sadly, there is a lot of disdain towards doodles and poos but it's not entirely down to snobbery. Unfortunately, for the cockerpoo in particular, it does seem to have attracted a disproportionate number of first time dog owners and I don't think that helps its image problem. Novice dog owners will buy a puppy from a BYB/online ad without doing enough research. And, as we all know, puppies are a nightmare! All pups are hard work, whether they are a Great Dane or a Chihuahua and first time dog owners will struggle the most, irrespective of the breed. That I think has been the doodle's problem; too many people cashing in on a fashion (bit like with "Dulux" dogs in the 1970's), too many people falling for the undeniable cuteness and the hypoallergenic claims without putting in enough thought with regard to health, time and training in relation to their lifestyle.

I have to say that I have never yet encountered an issue with a doodle or poo showing aggression towards my own dogs, despite the reputation these breeds have for being hyper and mad (I think high energy is a better term). I've had past experience (in my almost 50 years of dog ownership) with Labs, Border Collies, GSD and various terriers attacking my dogs so I can't honestly say that doodles are any worse than anything else for being out of control/hyper or barky.

There is also a lot of hate on MN and elsewhere for pedigree/purebred dogs and even more venom directed at anything bigger or stronger than a Labrador. It's not just doodles that come in for abuse. People have strong feelings about their chosen dog breed, and rightly so but that doesn't give us the right to be critical of others. I understand you all defending your much loved doodle dogs but it's hypocrisy to then turn around and demonise those who decide to buy a pedigree pup or a large strong breed. We should all choose the dog that best suits our lifestyle. I have lost family and friends because of my choice of breed and it does hurt when people are nasty. Threads like this only serve to encourage opinionated venom against a "type" whether it be mongrel, crossbreed or purebred. Choosing a specific breed of dog isn't about snobbery; it can be purely down to needing a dog for a specific task or just having a preference for certain temperament/breed characteristics. This is why many people stick with the same breed of dog for a lifetime. It isn't about bragging rights, it's a lifestyle choice.

As regards "all" purebred dogs being recent crosses; it's nonsense. There are ancient breeds particularly with regard to some of the Hounds and Molosser/Livestock Protection Dogs so it isn't true to say that all dog breeds are modern creations.

I just chucked at the person that doesn't like Poodles... but a cockapoo.

Ahm both breeds are high energy high prey drive and highly intelligent...
ok Spaniels have a bigger tendency to idiocy... but still!

Hence my vote for Tibetans, just a good all-rounder without any of the above!

Some people want to be divisive and hateful about anything. Now it's what dog you choose as a family pet. Bloody hell. I can't imagine wasting a minute of my one life fretting about why other people choose a different breed of dog than I do.

The appeal is obvious.
Extremely fluffy teddy bear like fur. That's also hypoallergenic. And doesn't shed.
They are adorable.
The playful goofiness is a plus in my opinion. I like that in a dog.
I have a standard poodle, myself, so obviously I'm a fan of poodle traits.

I met someone who proudly told me they'd laid over £3.5k for a cockapoo from the "country's top breeder", whatever that means. Meanwhile I have a pedigree dog, whose grandmother and uncle are both top show dogs (grandmother was best of breed at Crufts) and I paid £1,500.

We have a Tibetan. Our 2nd. Absolutely love the breed. Challenging at times but with a bit of work the best dogs in the world.

This thread has definitely kept me entertained. You know what, anyone who has payed for these expensive pure bred dogs, with daft birth names like lady Wilma petunia the third, firstly stop being such hypocrites, your dogs are designer breeds, whatever spin you try and put on it! Also to all my fellow doodle and poo owners, who know that we didn’t just get them from some backstreet puppy mill, or whatever the hell all the judgmental weirdos on here are saying, much love and support to you. So everyone else who are against us having doodles in our lives, stay in your lane and mind your own bloody business!

Are you’re at it so maturely again. I gained more than enough info re cockapoos whilst doing our research( care to share the evidence which says this isn’t the case). It’s “embarassing“ that you’ve appointed yourself an expert on the subject of breeders and haven’t even bothered to look at the RSPCA site. I’ve included a link which lists the attributes needed to be described a good/ bad breeder. It doesn’t list breeding cockapoos as a factor of being a bad breeder and our cockapoo breeder did indeed tick all the attributes of being a good breeder and more.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/puppy/breeder?gl=1*1cgy4o8upMQ..&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4IvMs7XCiAMVCJdQBh3orwLVEAAYASAAEgJWavD_BwE&gbraid=0AAAAADvvO2tOPY9ZCJcEhG6lmp-jwVOz0

Are you really that ignorant?

But isn't it judgemental to talk about "expensive pure bred dogs with daft birth names..."? How is it only hypocrisy for pedigree owners to pass judgement on crossbreeds but doodle owners have free rein to ridicule purebred dogs?
Sorry but being a judgemental hypocrite goes both ways.

I'm not bothering with that poster. They announced that "everything" I posted was incorrect then refused to clarify what they meant.

At that time I'd posted there are reputable breeders. Correct. Doodles aren't mongrels. Correct. Then a post about what I'd experienced personally, which they couldn't possibly state as incorrect 🤷‍♀️

I doubt they're remotely bothered about doodles in the slightest. They've just got a massive superiority complex with nothing to back up their claims.

This again. Just read the other millions of threads written by the other self righteous pedigree dog snobs. Bore off.

The only judgement I pass is on people who own dangerous dogs which have no place on our streets and people who own dogs that can't breathe due to poor breeding (with the caveat of rescues on the latter).

Exactly this!

As an aside, has anybody noticed how good cockapoos are with ND kids? My dd is ND as are several of her friends, several have one and have found them life transforming. They haven’t copied as have come to the same path separately and when older. I follow a lot of ND accounts and see the same. I wonder if the affectionate nature, intelligence,size, ease to train and intuition is a good match.

I fully understand that and I feel exactly the same. But those problems are not limited to purebred dogs in any case.

I was responding to a specific post though...