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AIBU?

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Is this disloyal to you?

222 replies

lovenotwar149 · 06/09/2024 17:10

I had a BIG difference of opinion with a long standing friend. Havent spoken to her for a few yrs. After the altercation, I called 3/4 times to talk about it and sent 3/4 msgs...no reply. Fast forward to now, 2-3 yrs on, she books my son to entertain for a big party she was hosting last Saturday. My son accepted and let me know as he recalled the upset between us. 2 days before the party this lady actually messages me to extend the invite to me and my hubby and also added some very mean comments in the invite about the altercation. I told my son and asked if he wanted to read the msgs. He said yes. He thought they were mean too. He went anyway. I feel a real sense of betrayal by him. AIBU?

OP posts:
LongTimeReading · 06/09/2024 20:48

Manxexile · 06/09/2024 20:23

That was quick.

All made up and resolved within 75 minutes of the first post.

A record even for Mumsnet...

😁😃😆

Treelichen · 06/09/2024 22:59

CKN · 06/09/2024 19:11

RickyGervaislovesdogs

There most certainly was not a breach of GDPR here. Her son mentioned that this person had booked him for an event, there is no personal data involved in this. In fact the OP probably breached GDPR by showing her son text messages between herself and this other woman as the other woman did not consent to her private information being shared.

Tbh there’s always two sides to every story and I’d love to hear the other woman’s story. Really don’t know why some posters seem to think that the other woman is a cow without knowing the full story. OP referres to her as a long standing friendship that fell out and OP tried to contact her several times but the other woman did not return her calls. Sounds like there’s more to this story ……..

Edited

Individuals have no responsibility under GDPR. You can share whatever you want that you know in a personal capacity. It maybe unethical but it’s not a breach of GDPR.

McGonagleRU12 · 06/09/2024 23:01

I agree, she is very manipulative.
She is booking your son, exactly for this or some upset to you, from your history, her card and his ambivalent reaction etc.

You see it, that’s enough.
You are well rid of her!!

LongTimeReading · 06/09/2024 23:06

Treelichen · 06/09/2024 22:59

Individuals have no responsibility under GDPR. You can share whatever you want that you know in a personal capacity. It maybe unethical but it’s not a breach of GDPR.

Are you really telling us then that anyone can talk about their clients to anyone else, and have no comeback? To clarify, what the OP has told us wasn't one person telling another person, it was the representative of a business telling someone else about a potential client.

Treelichen · 06/09/2024 23:31

LongTimeReading · 06/09/2024 23:06

Are you really telling us then that anyone can talk about their clients to anyone else, and have no comeback? To clarify, what the OP has told us wasn't one person telling another person, it was the representative of a business telling someone else about a potential client.

Edited

I said individuals, not businesses. The post I referred to stated that the OP had breached GDPR by sharing her texts. This is not a breach as GDPR doesn’t apply to individuals in a social context.

LongTimeReading · 06/09/2024 23:35

Treelichen · 06/09/2024 23:31

I said individuals, not businesses. The post I referred to stated that the OP had breached GDPR by sharing her texts. This is not a breach as GDPR doesn’t apply to individuals in a social context.

Well in that case I apologise. I thought you were referencing the part of the OP where the son had been contacted in a professional capacity by his mother's friend, and had then relayed that information to his mother.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 07/09/2024 05:23

CKN · 06/09/2024 19:11

RickyGervaislovesdogs

There most certainly was not a breach of GDPR here. Her son mentioned that this person had booked him for an event, there is no personal data involved in this. In fact the OP probably breached GDPR by showing her son text messages between herself and this other woman as the other woman did not consent to her private information being shared.

Tbh there’s always two sides to every story and I’d love to hear the other woman’s story. Really don’t know why some posters seem to think that the other woman is a cow without knowing the full story. OP referres to her as a long standing friendship that fell out and OP tried to contact her several times but the other woman did not return her calls. Sounds like there’s more to this story ……..

Edited

You do know Gdpr applies to businesses, governments and organisations, not some Sally or Julie showing a text from a friend to another friend.

lovenotwar149 · 07/09/2024 07:02

Hello everyone again,

I think its very necessary for me to clarify something which I dont believe I have done.

This booking was NOT through his business. This was a private booking. It was not associated with his employer/agency at all.

OP posts:
lovenotwar149 · 07/09/2024 07:06

If I fell out with his employer, for arguments sake, well I wouldn't for a start, because I would have distance from his business/employer for one,(FYI I dont know anyone my son deals with through his business/emplyment) there's no way I would expect my son not to accept work from them anymore. I repeat this was a private booking. Aplologies everyone for not making that clear.
AND a big thank you everyone for thoughts/comments. Much appreciated.Much love to you all xx

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Melodysmum12 · 07/09/2024 07:08

I’d also feel betrayed as she sounds like an arse but if he cancelled and she bad mouthed his business it could be terrible for his reputation. Hold your head high and ignore the bitch.

lovenotwar149 · 07/09/2024 07:08

Manxexile
That was quick.

All made up and resolved within 75 minutes of the first post.

A record even for Mumsnet...

Glad to be a mumsnet record holder!!

OP posts:
lovenotwar149 · 07/09/2024 07:09

Melodysmum12

AGREE :)

OP posts:
lovenotwar149 · 07/09/2024 07:10

Melodysmum12

thats true enough.Because even tho it was a private booking, yes if he didn't show up/cancel she could have still posted a negative review on his social media

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desiderata328 · 07/09/2024 07:21

Why did she book him in the first place? Such a weird, passive aggressive move on her part!

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 07/09/2024 07:29

lovenotwar149 · 06/09/2024 17:32

JustTalkToThem

Fair point in one sense. Thank you for comments all. But I gotta say....the judgemental ness from some on here ..baffling and most unnecessary

You are being extremely judgemental of your son, so it's highly hypocritical for you to complain that people are judging you for that.

Commonsense22 · 07/09/2024 07:34

lovenotwar149 · 06/09/2024 17:14

can you appreciate my feeling of betrayal?

Not really. It would have been unprofessional of him to cancel at short notice and your personal history can't affect his professional reputation.

LongTimeReading · 07/09/2024 08:54

lovenotwar149 · 07/09/2024 07:02

Hello everyone again,

I think its very necessary for me to clarify something which I dont believe I have done.

This booking was NOT through his business. This was a private booking. It was not associated with his employer/agency at all.

Oh right...and his employer allows this then.

LongTimeReading · 07/09/2024 09:01

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 07/09/2024 05:23

You do know Gdpr applies to businesses, governments and organisations, not some Sally or Julie showing a text from a friend to another friend.

So if then, Sally has a business doing facial hair removal, and tells Julie that Tulipsareredvioletsarebue has just asked if she can fit her in to get her top lip done, and does Julie mind, you'd be happy with that. Because that's what's happened here - son gets a request to do a job, and then tells his mum. At least, that's what the OP said, although is now suggesting that because she approached the son directly to do the work and didn't go through his "agency/employer" (big difference between the two), he's got free reign to tell who he likes about who wishes to book him.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 07/09/2024 09:09

LongTimeReading · 07/09/2024 09:01

So if then, Sally has a business doing facial hair removal, and tells Julie that Tulipsareredvioletsarebue has just asked if she can fit her in to get her top lip done, and does Julie mind, you'd be happy with that. Because that's what's happened here - son gets a request to do a job, and then tells his mum. At least, that's what the OP said, although is now suggesting that because she approached the son directly to do the work and didn't go through his "agency/employer" (big difference between the two), he's got free reign to tell who he likes about who wishes to book him.

Again, read about GDPR.
It does not apply to you and me in personal capacity gossiping about mates. It applies to how your data is handled by companies/governments/schools.

If Sally has a business, knows some intimate details about me or leaks my address to Julie who asks if Sally can give her my details, then it's a breach.

If my neighbour Sally bitches to Julie about me and shows her a message I sent her, then it is not- it's just shitty gossiping.

OP showed her son a message from a friend, how people think this is a breach of GDPR I have no clue.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 07/09/2024 09:11

LongTimeReading · 07/09/2024 08:54

Oh right...and his employer allows this then.

Depends on the contract. He may be able to take private bookings or do any other job in his free time.

LongTimeReading · 07/09/2024 09:20

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 07/09/2024 09:09

Again, read about GDPR.
It does not apply to you and me in personal capacity gossiping about mates. It applies to how your data is handled by companies/governments/schools.

If Sally has a business, knows some intimate details about me or leaks my address to Julie who asks if Sally can give her my details, then it's a breach.

If my neighbour Sally bitches to Julie about me and shows her a message I sent her, then it is not- it's just shitty gossiping.

OP showed her son a message from a friend, how people think this is a breach of GDPR I have no clue.

OP showed her son a message from a friend, how people think this is a breach of GDPR I have no clue

Yes, and before that OP's son told his mother about someone who had approached him in a professional capacity, but this is the point which you and others keep choosing to overlook.

Anonymouseposter · 07/09/2024 17:19

As half of OP's family were at the event she was going to know her son was booked anyway so all the discussion about breaking confidentiality is a bit of a red herring. I still don't think the son was disloyal in accepting the booking.

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