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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:39

DdraigGoch · 29/08/2024 21:36

No retailer has a god-given right to exist. If they want to survive they've got to treat their customers and staff with respect rather than pandering to a noisy minority on social media.

What, the noisy GC lobby on MN?

FOJN · 29/08/2024 21:39

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

If transwomen aren't male then they must be female. If they are female then how are they transwomen?

There are only two sexes, that is not opinion, it is a very well established fact.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:39

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:37

Yep you win, I’m not as intelligent as you. That must be it, it’s clearly impossible for you to just recognise that this is not an issue for me. Possibly, I do not mind sharing spaces with trans women as I do not feel they are all sexual predators, I am not concerned for my safety on this circumstance. I believe women’s rights are not being eroded - I say this by stating it’s also by no means perfect.

It's absolutely fine that it's not an issue for you. But it IS an issue for many women. Losing the right to single sex spaces IS an erosion of women's rights. If you don't care and want to share with blokes that's up to you, but other women have a right to be safe.

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:39

The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

Transwomen are male, that is a scientific, biological and legal fact. Only males can be transwomen.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:41

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:39

The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

Transwomen are male, that is a scientific, biological and legal fact. Only males can be transwomen.

We have progress. @GailBlancheViola at least accepts that once someone has a GRC, they have legally changed sex.

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 21:41

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

Male and female are biological terms and sex is binary. That you can't change sex is a fact. However, people who identify as trans believe you can have a different gender from your birth sex. Hence the word trans meaning changing from one to another. I agree there are a lot of people who believe that people can change gender. I do not believe that but I understand some people do. However, a person's sex is relevant in certain situations one of which is preservation of single sex spaces.

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Discontentedpony · 29/08/2024 21:42

parkrun500club · 29/08/2024 17:55

No, just pets. My colleague took her dog to see Father Christmas last year (she does have a toddler too :) but couldn't find anyone to look after the dog. So instead of her partner waiting outside with the dog/taking it to one of the many parks in London they took it into the shop).

I am with the pp - dogs do not belong in department stores.

And male bodied people do not belong in toilets for female bodied people. JL shops are big enough to have a few unisex toilets and changing rooms.

Re dogs in shops and other public spaces, I work in a major tourist attraction and if visitors are questioned about having their dog with them, they just claim it's a therapy dog and there's nothing we can do about it. The PR nightmare around telling someone they can't enter with their therapy dog is too risky and people know they can flout the rules in this way so there's nothing to be done about it unless new rules state the dogs must have a special therapy lead or coat identifying them as such. People can obviously still just buy these things but it would help somewhat with the people who take advantage of the system.

Molone · 29/08/2024 21:42

I’ve worked in retail all my adult life and never had separate toilets.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:43

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:41

We have progress. @GailBlancheViola at least accepts that once someone has a GRC, they have legally changed sex.

So if something is legal that makes it complete facts and right?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/08/2024 21:44

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:39

What, the noisy GC lobby on MN?

Reality deniers.

Missmarple87 · 29/08/2024 21:44

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Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/08/2024 21:46

I boycott any organisation who falls on the pork sword of trans ideology.

iamtheblcksheep · 29/08/2024 21:46

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Still waiting on that scientific proof @ElleWoods15 ...

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 29/08/2024 21:48

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:14

Sorry, I’m not sure one what planet you think your previous post was ‘technically accurate’. It was (and was clearly designed to be) simply offensive.

In MN parlance, give your head a wobble.

It was a technically accurate term. Here’s another. Autogynephilia. Sorry you’re offended by technical accuracy. I’m
offended by males in women’s spaces. So there you go

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4726257-nick-timothy-in-the-telegraph-on-the-grr?page=1

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:48

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:47

Still waiting on that scientific proof @ElleWoods15 ...

Still waiting on an apology for calling anyone that doesn’t share your GC views ‘dense’.

But I’m giving up on that and going to bed.

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:49

We have progress. at least accepts that once someone has a GRC, they have legally changed sex.

No, a GRC is a legal fiction that was what it was put into Law as. There are restrictions on those with GRCs regarding the spaces they can access and those with GRCs can be refused access to any female only spaces legitimately and legally. If transwomen were actually female and not male there would be no restrictions would there?

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:49

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:48

Still waiting on an apology for calling anyone that doesn’t share your GC views ‘dense’.

But I’m giving up on that and going to bed.

Bless. We've already established it's because you believe humans can change sex. Still can't provide proof though, funny that. 🤔

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/08/2024 21:50

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Your point relies entirely on opinion and none on fact. Like flat earthers.

FranticFrankie · 29/08/2024 21:52

I already boycott JL but for different reasons
Shame as I used to love JL- especially at Christmas 🎅🏼

Berlinlover · 29/08/2024 21:52

I won’t be boycotting them.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 29/08/2024 21:53

DadJoke · 29/08/2024 18:55

The rules about trans women in loos apply equally to partners and customers, and this is true in all high street retailers.

I read it. It all boils down to “exclude trans women from women’s loos,” without straightforwardly coming out and saying it.

Perhaps if you could link to a neutral source which explains the subtext of this letter, it might help.

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Good idea, since transwomen are male they should not be in a single sex facility designated for females

Name5 · 29/08/2024 21:55

Less than 1% of the UK population are transgender. It is extremely hard for transpeople to get jobs. My family member is one such person. Discrimination is a daily occurrence. I doubt if every JLP store has a transperson on the payroll.
All three main parties confirmed their stance on sex at the election box. JLP may think they are being inclusive, they're not. Third spaces are now needed. Very few people wish transpeople harm but most people agree you can't change sex including my family member. Indeed few have surgery these days. The problem is the stores don't want to adapt their shop fittings so they don't really think this through. 'we'll bung it into female changing' sorry no. You are breaching other protected parties. That's illegal and they bloody well know it. They will lose business but ill thought out policies bite business on the arse.

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:56

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:39

What, the noisy GC lobby on MN?

You are behind the curve @ElleWoods15 every survey done of the general public shows that the majority of the public, (and the numbers rise higher every time the survey is done) do not believe that people can change sex or that transwomen are women and nor does the general public support males, any males and that includes TW, in women's spaces and sports.

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