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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 03/09/2024 18:02

They will never really be women in the eyes of many who use biological reality. Fantasy and ideology should never get in the way of fact.

GailBlancheViola · 03/09/2024 18:07

The GoodLawProject has sent an email to subscribers, announcing that they're stepping back from trans-related legal cases from next year.

They've not exactly got a good record on winning despite claiming every single time that they are right.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2024 18:28

GailBlancheViola · 03/09/2024 18:07

The GoodLawProject has sent an email to subscribers, announcing that they're stepping back from trans-related legal cases from next year.

They've not exactly got a good record on winning despite claiming every single time that they are right.

This is true.

or maybe they have read the writing on the wall. That stonewall’s version of the law was wishful thinking and that it is looking more and more difficult to convince people to prioritise male people’s demands over female people’s needs. And to convince people to simply comply with the political and philosophical demands where previously they could emotionally manipulate people with suicide and murder misinformation and gender dysphoria stories.

So, no more is gender dysphoria relevant for the majority of trans people. And the suicide and murder misinformation for UK has been clarified. The government and police forces have made clear that calling a male person a man is not a crime. Doesn’t leave much to support it all, imo.

Previously, all this was supported by fear. Fear of criminal punishment, fear of causing someone’s death, fear of being ostracised or cancelled. Fear of being called transphobic, hateful, bigoted. On here we were fearful of being deleted all the time. So much fear. But that fear has gone and people are thinking, well… this is coercive and it isn’t right.

And we have to thank events like Isla Bryson, the Hate crime act of Scotland and JKRowling testing the waters, Lia Thomas/hubbard/Emily bridges, and recently Khelif, Lin and now Petrillo.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2024 18:35

Oh. And the Cass Report.

Which has been supported, it seems by Sandyford. And the American Plastic surgeons this past week or two as well.

Cailleach1 · 03/09/2024 19:44

YoYoYoYo12345 · 03/09/2024 18:02

They will never really be women in the eyes of many who use biological reality. Fantasy and ideology should never get in the way of fact.

There is no qualification or equivocation about it. Men will never become women. And vice versa. The pretence in law is only ink on paper. Irrespective of any person’s belief or opinion. I could write down that I am a horse. I could get someone else to say that I’m a horse. It wouldn’t make me a horse, and all I would have achieved is to get a person to lie. Ne’er a magic transformation possible to achieve an impossibility.

Once people believed that St. Vitus’ Dance was caused by those afflicted being possessed by the Devil. Everyone in the whole world could have believed it, Yet that was always false, and was always caused by a streptococcal infection.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2024 20:22

could write down that I am a horse. I could get someone else to say that I’m a horse. It wouldn’t make me a horse, and all I would have achieved is to get a person to lie. Ne’er a magic transformation possible to achieve an impossibility.

A law could be passed to say that you were "legally a horse" if you had a certificate. It still wouldn't mean you were actually a horse.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2024 20:51

Everytime I see the assertion that TWAW, I wonder… what happens with all the other gender identities? There is such focus on the two ‘binary genders’ and ‘non binary’ and yet there are over 130 gender identities. Everyone seems to forget those.

Also, those other identities where people use extreme body modifications to resemble their conceptualisation of that identity. Such as the lizards and snakes. So, the only logic that is true for males who declare they are female are that they are male people who can only ever live how they conceptualise a female human lives. That is all they are doing. They have not become a woman or a female.

This is the same for the other extreme body modification identities. Yet, no one has to be forced, or convinced to believe that a person with extreme tattoos, inserts and piercings of various types and tongue modifications has become what they say they have.

The lack of symmetry defies logic that we need to treat one group as if they are what they say they are, and not other groups.

TheKeatingFive · 03/09/2024 21:05

I STILL have no idea why people this they should be allowed to override biological reality with 'feelings' when it comes to sex, but not anything else.

Why not age, race, disability, etc?

YoYoYoYo12345 · 03/09/2024 21:32

Cailleach1 · 03/09/2024 19:44

There is no qualification or equivocation about it. Men will never become women. And vice versa. The pretence in law is only ink on paper. Irrespective of any person’s belief or opinion. I could write down that I am a horse. I could get someone else to say that I’m a horse. It wouldn’t make me a horse, and all I would have achieved is to get a person to lie. Ne’er a magic transformation possible to achieve an impossibility.

Once people believed that St. Vitus’ Dance was caused by those afflicted being possessed by the Devil. Everyone in the whole world could have believed it, Yet that was always false, and was always caused by a streptococcal infection.

This.

However, currently many chant the twaw mantra without your logical thinking. Hopefully, people are starting to realise the damage done to women when women are pushed aside to promote and push forward men that want to be women. Can only hope more people can see the reality of the ideology and where is leaves real women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/09/2024 09:07

I STILL have no idea why people this they should be allowed to override biological reality with 'feelings' when it comes to sex, but not anything else.

Why not age, race, disability, etc?

It's a very good question. IME it tends to provoke an aggressive, spluttering response from trans rights activists and their supporters. Although we know that adult people have also "identified" as adult babies

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4400306

Six year old girls

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-sixyearold-girl-uses-child-s-play-to-escape-adult-life-a6775051.html

White people have identified as black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

White males have identified as Filipina women

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-transracial-white-florida-filipino-rachel-dolezal-philippines-ja-du-adam-a8053731.html

White able bodied males have identified as disabled women

https://anonw.com/2012/04/22/eat-your-heart-out-chloe-jennings-white/

White males have identified as pregnant women

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/princess-mom

But people tend to say these things never happen.

Helleofabore · 04/09/2024 09:56

The logic that society should embrace one group with identities that don’t reflect the obective materiality of that person’s bodily reality and deny others is surreal.

And yet, here we are.

And yet, the group who has their language and their spaces and object are the ones called hateful, bigots, and apparently should be the ones seeking to have their mental health issues fixed.

Will today be the day that someone posts the evidence that male people’s beliefs that they are female people is anything more than based on post modernist theories or other philosophical beliefs, or a political movement. And an aggressive political movement ?

I genuinely hope so.

Helleofabore · 04/09/2024 11:47

So a question for those who fully support male people being in female single sex spaces, where do the bio-transwomen go?

If they are to use the male toilets, and do so safely, why can't male people who have declared they are female?

Here are two here on this twitter account.

https://x.com/sillylilyts

No only that, but I think this article linked below adds yet more confirmation that despite what we have been told we have to believe, apparently that transgender people don't believe their own mantras. Apparently, 'trans people are who they say they are' is also meaningless.

Operation: Let them speak really does make things a whole lot clearer. We now know that being transgender has very little to do with gender dysphoria and has a great deal to do with philosophical belief. We now know that cis was always a meaningless term for the purposes that we were told to use it.

Yet, we are supposed to believe some posters who declare that TWAW when they cannot produce a shred of evidence to support that mantra either.

metro.co.uk/2024/09/03/transfishing-become-a-thing-couldnt-appalled-21538741/

x.com

https://x.com/sillylilyts

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/09/2024 13:30

And yet, the group who has their language and their spaces and object are the ones called hateful, bigots, and apparently should be the ones seeking to have their mental health issues fixed.

Will today be the day that someone posts the evidence that male people’s beliefs that they are female people is anything more than based on post modernist theories or other philosophical beliefs, or a political movement. And an aggressive political movement ?

I haven't seen it in 8 years or so, so I doubt it.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 04/09/2024 16:57

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/09/2024 09:07

I STILL have no idea why people this they should be allowed to override biological reality with 'feelings' when it comes to sex, but not anything else.

Why not age, race, disability, etc?

It's a very good question. IME it tends to provoke an aggressive, spluttering response from trans rights activists and their supporters. Although we know that adult people have also "identified" as adult babies

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4400306

Six year old girls

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-sixyearold-girl-uses-child-s-play-to-escape-adult-life-a6775051.html

White people have identified as black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

White males have identified as Filipina women

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-transracial-white-florida-filipino-rachel-dolezal-philippines-ja-du-adam-a8053731.html

White able bodied males have identified as disabled women

https://anonw.com/2012/04/22/eat-your-heart-out-chloe-jennings-white/

White males have identified as pregnant women

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/princess-mom

But people tend to say these things never happen.

Indeed.

Fetishism but all it trans and it opens doors. They want everyone to play along. Some grown ups are saying no thanks. Reality is important.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2024 17:09

And here is another way that language is used coercively.

archive.is/2024.09.03-175410/www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/courts/5074534/dundee-mp-chris-law-fear-alarm/

Morgan, of Bonnethill Court, Dundee, was found guilty of behaving in a threatening or abusive manner on Marshall Street on November 24 and 25 2022 and at Dundee police HQ on November 29.

Misgendering delay

The trial had to be halted when the transgender accused became annoyed by witnesses calling her a man.

Several witnesses had described Morgan as “he” and “him” as they detailed how she targeted the Dundee West MP.

Morgan – who once appeared in court as a man called Alan and a woman called Alannah on the same day – was annoyed by being misgendered.

People being shamed and punished for not lying about an abuser’s sex? I really don’t quite understand why anyone is trying to shame those who don’t just follow along these days.

Forced language change is harmful to female people. And any attempt to coerce acceptance of male people into any female single sex space is harmful too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/09/2024 17:50

How can you swear to tell the truth if you're not actually allowed to? He's a man.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2024 21:04

It is a mockery of the truth eresh.

Just like my opinion of anyone who tries to tell me that males can be women is already that I can never trust anything else that they say without doing a fact check.

I don’t understand why some
people then expect their opinions to be welcomed as if they have imparted some kind of factual information. They have actively provided misinformation and seem to think others should just believe them because they occasionally tell us they have particular qualifications.

CrochetForLife · 06/09/2024 12:33

ElleWoods15 · 31/08/2024 12:57

There’s really no issue here then. Because trans women are indeed women, despite the opinions expressed by certain posters on this thread. So you have no objection to trans women using women’s loos in JL or otherwise. I think we’re all good :)

Transwomen are men. Male. 92% of them according to medical data, retain their penis and testicles. If you have a COCK AND BALLS, you are not a woman. And have no place being in women and girls sacred safe single sex spaces. It really is that simple. A male in a dress with a cock and balls is a male. Not a female. Womens facilities are sex-based. Not gender 'identity' based.

To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees
To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees
To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees
YoYoYoYo12345 · 06/09/2024 19:23

CrochetForLife · 06/09/2024 12:33

Transwomen are men. Male. 92% of them according to medical data, retain their penis and testicles. If you have a COCK AND BALLS, you are not a woman. And have no place being in women and girls sacred safe single sex spaces. It really is that simple. A male in a dress with a cock and balls is a male. Not a female. Womens facilities are sex-based. Not gender 'identity' based.

That's a fact. Oooo some don't like facts!

Helleofabore · 06/09/2024 20:03

Except that a male without their cock and balls are still just as male as a male person with their cock and balls.

Neither should be in female single sex spaces. And on top of that, male people should have no pressure from society to have such horrific procedures under the guise of becoming ‘female’. Including this being the price of entry into female single sex spaces. Because having such surgeries does not make that male person a female person.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 07/09/2024 20:37

YoYoYoYo12345 · 06/09/2024 19:23

That's a fact. Oooo some don't like facts!

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

TheKeatingFive · 07/09/2024 21:11

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 07/09/2024 20:37

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

No. Same sex attraction is evidenced. Also it doesn't affect anyone outside of the couple.

You can't change sex. That's a fact. No amount of wishful thinking in the world will change that. That's not 'bigotry', it's respect for reality.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 07/09/2024 21:17

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 07/09/2024 20:37

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

Facts aren't bigotry. Science. DNA. Sex rights matter to some of us. We will fight for that fact. We will not step aside for men who 'think' they 'feel' they are women. They aren't. They never will be.

Helleofabore · 07/09/2024 22:05

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 07/09/2024 20:37

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

Homosexual people were subject to illegitimate discrimination. There was never any validity to someone being homosexual being mentally ill. And being attracted to the same sex or both sexes is a materially real and objective fact.

Believing you (general ‘you’) are the opposite sex or that going through extreme body modification makes you the opposite sex is not material reality. That is a philosophical belief. Or it may even be a political position.

For example, a male person who has their testicles chopped off and their dick inverted into a cavity in their pelvis only makes that male person, a male person who has had extreme body medication. It never made them a female person. Because a female person is not a male person without a dick. And there are male people who have lost their penises through disease or injury. It didn’t make them female though. Just a male person without a dick.

So your comparator is a false one. And it has been a very lazy tactic used by those who are determined to attempt to shame female people for stating their boundaries to exclude male people from single sex spaces, and to point out that it is a violation of their rights to fair sport to include male people in female sport.

And to allow some
male people to claim opportunities designed to progress female people as a collective out of the impacts of negative sexist discrimination as they have experienced for millennia. And that also includes not allowing male people to take ‘Women’s Officer’ roles where they are needed to ensure the needs of female people
are considered in policy etc.

So while homosexual and bisexual people were rightfully campaigning to have equal access to rights that heterosexual people had, the same is not true for male people
with transgender identities. No matter how much you might insist it is the same.

Male people with transgender identities are demanding additional rights over all other people. They are demanding that they access those rights that are meant for female people where, if they are included, those rights are then removed.

For instance, any toilet that allows a male person to use them means that toilet is mixed sex. A sex balanced board that allows a male to take the position meant for a female person, means that there are more male people being represented on that board.

These are facts supported by material reality. The only way to support that logically, is to force society to believe that people can change sex.

As I don’t believe that the majority of those people with transgender identities believe they have changed sex. Only a minority do.

So please don’t attempt to shame posters who don’t believe your statements. Just because you choose to believe tropish statements don’t make them true at all.

GailBlancheViola · 07/09/2024 22:38

Well said Helle, there is no justification for the destruction of women's rights by male people with transgender identities, none at all.