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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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Missmarple87 · 29/08/2024 21:27

BeachParty · 29/08/2024 21:26

Not even comparable - I'm not being excluded, women can still go in, and also out in public.
You can choose not to though, - it doesn't mean women aren't allowed to.

The point being you don't seem to care about the women who are affected by this? Why is that?

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:27

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SerafinasGoose · 29/08/2024 21:27

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 21:14

I think it's interesting that there's a mention upthread that Primark changed their policy to have women only changing rooms again. Presumably they listened to feedback.

I think they had their reputation tarnished by the viral video of the distressed woman on social media, which was then picked up by MSM.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:27

Missmarple87 · 29/08/2024 21:24

Transwomen are men, you realise?

In your opinion.

But the articles aren’t about trans women, they are about predatory men.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:28

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 29/08/2024 21:24

Look at the language you are using. The issue is that women aren’t safe around men yet you are coming across as aggressive and intimidating.

If swearing bothers you then I don't think MN is the right place for you. Nethuns is that way. 👉

Missmarple87 · 29/08/2024 21:28

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:27

In your opinion.

But the articles aren’t about trans women, they are about predatory men.

Nope. It's not opinion, it's fact.

What makes transwomen different from men?

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:29

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Do you understand that what you’re expressing is an opinion, with which a large number of people disagree.

There is no reason whatsoever to resort to being quite so rude to someone who doesn’t share your opinions.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:29

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:24

You are going off on unrelated tangents which I have not mentioned (the suffragettes?!) and for some reason feel the need to keep this up even though we obviously have different views (which is absolutely fine and allowed 😊)

Are you unable to connect the suffragettes and the birth of feminism with the current erosion of women's rights?

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:29

Missmarple87 · 29/08/2024 21:28

Nope. It's not opinion, it's fact.

What makes transwomen different from men?

Only on MN is it a ‘fact’….. but you keep reassuring yourself of that.

FOJN · 29/08/2024 21:30

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 20:13

Indeed.

And also, can we stop with this ridiculous assertion that trans woman in some way necessarily means sexual predator. It’s offensive.

No one is arguing that but I think you know that.

My argument is that some men are sexual predators. Transwomen are male or they could not be transwomen. They are in the same sex class as 99% of sex offenders. I can't tell if a male person is a sexual predator just by looking at them, can you?

Do you think single sex spaces cast aspersions on all men or do you accept it's a reasonable safe guarding measure?

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:30

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:29

Do you understand that what you’re expressing is an opinion, with which a large number of people disagree.

There is no reason whatsoever to resort to being quite so rude to someone who doesn’t share your opinions.

Do you understand that wasn't me being rude, that was me stating facts? Do you not know that transwomen are male? Confused

Missmarple87 · 29/08/2024 21:31

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:29

Only on MN is it a ‘fact’….. but you keep reassuring yourself of that.

Nope, you can gaslight all you like but it is fact.

What makes them different?

And, by the way, calling women who disagree with you 'hysterical' is classic misogyny.

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 21:32

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:29

Do you understand that what you’re expressing is an opinion, with which a large number of people disagree.

There is no reason whatsoever to resort to being quite so rude to someone who doesn’t share your opinions.

I'm interested in what is the opinion you refer to that large numbers of people disagree with. Could you explain?

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KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:32

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:27

In your opinion.

But the articles aren’t about trans women, they are about predatory men.

You seem to have some sort of insider knowledge on this. Can you let the rest of us women know how you sort the sexually predatory males from the non sexually predatory males? And how are transwomen not male? If they're not what are they transitioning from?

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:32

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:30

Do you understand that wasn't me being rude, that was me stating facts? Do you not know that transwomen are male? Confused

Do you know that what you’re expressing is an opinion?

I think it’s sad though that you don’t even realise that calling someone ‘dense’ because they disagree with you is rude.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 21:32

I'm interested in what is the opinion you refer to that large numbers of people disagree with. Could you explain?

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:34

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GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:35

it relates to the level of hysteria that GC posters on boards like MN are able to create.

Ticks misogynist slur hysteria off bingo card.

maddening · 29/08/2024 21:35

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

They are male - they could not be trans women if they weren't

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:35

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Because I disagree with you then… And you’ve decided you repeat the insult. Nice.

DdraigGoch · 29/08/2024 21:36

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 17:54

Whilst I understand you are upset about this, John Lewis is a major employer and retailer. If they have to close it will be devastating for the retail environment. We've lost debehams. I don't know how long house of Fraser is going to last, bhs - gone.

No retailer has a god-given right to exist. If they want to survive they've got to treat their customers and staff with respect rather than pandering to a noisy minority on social media.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:36

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

Can you point to the scientific papers that prove that transwomen aren't male? Can you explain how one changes their sex? How do they drop the Y chromosome and gain an extra X? How do they shrink their skeleton? Lose muscle mass? Widen their hips? And vice versa obviously for transmen.

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:37

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:29

Are you unable to connect the suffragettes and the birth of feminism with the current erosion of women's rights?

Yep you win, I’m not as intelligent as you. That must be it, it’s clearly impossible for you to just recognise that this is not an issue for me. Possibly, I do not mind sharing spaces with trans women as I do not feel they are all sexual predators, I am not concerned for my safety on this circumstance. I believe women’s rights are not being eroded - I say this by stating it’s also by no means perfect.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:38

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:35

Because I disagree with you then… And you’ve decided you repeat the insult. Nice.

I can disagree with you that 2+2 = 4. It wouldn't make me right though. It WOULD make me look silly.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:38

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:37

Yep you win, I’m not as intelligent as you. That must be it, it’s clearly impossible for you to just recognise that this is not an issue for me. Possibly, I do not mind sharing spaces with trans women as I do not feel they are all sexual predators, I am not concerned for my safety on this circumstance. I believe women’s rights are not being eroded - I say this by stating it’s also by no means perfect.

At least you’re not dense like me @Kath85 😂

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