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To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 17:26

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Resignation letter from a John Lewis Partner

The John Lewis Partnership is abusing its female staff and customers

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

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CrochetForLife · 08/09/2024 01:09

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 07/09/2024 20:37

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

@AllPrincessAnneshorses How and why is women and girls having basic human rights, that our foremother feminists fought for, for safe single sex spaces "bigotry"? You sound so brainwashed and programmed by the Mens Rights movement that you think women and girls having any human rights at all is 'bigotry' if it affects men. Step back and truly think how you've been brainwashed to advocate against women and girls having human rights.

As to desperately and falsely comparing it to gay rights, I re-post what I posted elsewhere:
This is not Gay 2.0. Gay people when arguing for their rights, did not ask for the right to enter womens safe single sex spaces.
They did not argue for the right to have males taking womens spots or sports medals.
They did not argue to sterilise lesbians or children. Or to demolish womens spaces or rights.

As many gay men themselves have said, This is not Gay 2.0. This is a separate group, nothing to do with the gay rights struggle, parasitically hitching themselves to the gay struggle as their host, to make their demands seems reasonable and to manipulate. Gay people themselves are sick of this and their struggle being used by trans. And it's disingenuous that people think that trans demands to infiltrate and invade, to colonise and to break down womens boundaries, is anything remotely the same as the gay rights struggle. It is not. It just simple, is not! They are not even remotely the same. But they adding on T to LGB, people are been falsely lead to believe they are. One is a rights liberation, the other is a regime of colonisation (often by stealth), invasion, and destruction (of rights and boundaries).

This is NOT Gay 2.0. This is a Mens Rights movement. Nothing to do with rights or freedoms. Rights and freedoms don't take away from another group or break down the boundaries of another group.

To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees
CrochetForLife · 08/09/2024 01:10

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 07/09/2024 20:37

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

@AllPrincessAnneshorses Another way of looking at it;

The former had to fight organised religion and conservative dogma to win acceptance in society and legal recognition.

The latter are fighting scientific fact and demanding that women give up their sex based rights, fairness in sports and drop any concerns around safe guarding.

This is a perfect way of describing the "trans is the same as the gay rights struggle" and much more succinctly than me. Gay seeks equal rights for all, trans seeks removal of rights. Allowing trans to piggyback onto the gay rights struggle was the worst move possible. But trans would never have been able to exist or gain traction of they didn't.

Because on their own, a movement that seeks to remove human rights from another group, would not stand or achieve support.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2024 01:47

Some don't like nasty, crowing bigotry. Once it was a " fact" that homosexuality was a mental illness.

Whether homosexuality should be classed as anything other than the perfectly valid sexual orientation it is is a matter of opinion, and a contentious one. Not being able to change your biological sex is just a fact, sorry. And what we are talking about here, is biological sex.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 08/09/2024 08:29

Helleofabore · 07/09/2024 22:05

Homosexual people were subject to illegitimate discrimination. There was never any validity to someone being homosexual being mentally ill. And being attracted to the same sex or both sexes is a materially real and objective fact.

Believing you (general ‘you’) are the opposite sex or that going through extreme body modification makes you the opposite sex is not material reality. That is a philosophical belief. Or it may even be a political position.

For example, a male person who has their testicles chopped off and their dick inverted into a cavity in their pelvis only makes that male person, a male person who has had extreme body medication. It never made them a female person. Because a female person is not a male person without a dick. And there are male people who have lost their penises through disease or injury. It didn’t make them female though. Just a male person without a dick.

So your comparator is a false one. And it has been a very lazy tactic used by those who are determined to attempt to shame female people for stating their boundaries to exclude male people from single sex spaces, and to point out that it is a violation of their rights to fair sport to include male people in female sport.

And to allow some
male people to claim opportunities designed to progress female people as a collective out of the impacts of negative sexist discrimination as they have experienced for millennia. And that also includes not allowing male people to take ‘Women’s Officer’ roles where they are needed to ensure the needs of female people
are considered in policy etc.

So while homosexual and bisexual people were rightfully campaigning to have equal access to rights that heterosexual people had, the same is not true for male people
with transgender identities. No matter how much you might insist it is the same.

Male people with transgender identities are demanding additional rights over all other people. They are demanding that they access those rights that are meant for female people where, if they are included, those rights are then removed.

For instance, any toilet that allows a male person to use them means that toilet is mixed sex. A sex balanced board that allows a male to take the position meant for a female person, means that there are more male people being represented on that board.

These are facts supported by material reality. The only way to support that logically, is to force society to believe that people can change sex.

As I don’t believe that the majority of those people with transgender identities believe they have changed sex. Only a minority do.

So please don’t attempt to shame posters who don’t believe your statements. Just because you choose to believe tropish statements don’t make them true at all.

100%

We will not be shamed into accepting wolf in sheep's clothing

YoYoYoYo12345 · 08/09/2024 08:29

CrochetForLife · 08/09/2024 01:10

@AllPrincessAnneshorses Another way of looking at it;

The former had to fight organised religion and conservative dogma to win acceptance in society and legal recognition.

The latter are fighting scientific fact and demanding that women give up their sex based rights, fairness in sports and drop any concerns around safe guarding.

This is a perfect way of describing the "trans is the same as the gay rights struggle" and much more succinctly than me. Gay seeks equal rights for all, trans seeks removal of rights. Allowing trans to piggyback onto the gay rights struggle was the worst move possible. But trans would never have been able to exist or gain traction of they didn't.

Because on their own, a movement that seeks to remove human rights from another group, would not stand or achieve support.

Spot on.

TheKeatingFive · 08/09/2024 08:58

At its heart, 'trans rights' are the exact opposite of gay rights.

Gay rights are about accepting people for who they are.

TRA ideology demands we pretend people are something they are not.

ButterCrackers · 08/09/2024 09:01

Helleofabore · 06/09/2024 20:03

Except that a male without their cock and balls are still just as male as a male person with their cock and balls.

Neither should be in female single sex spaces. And on top of that, male people should have no pressure from society to have such horrific procedures under the guise of becoming ‘female’. Including this being the price of entry into female single sex spaces. Because having such surgeries does not make that male person a female person.

If it was possible to change sex then imagine the freedom for women to say nope I’m not going through my weeks bleeding, pain, flooding I’ll be identify as a man during this time. Magic wand and they are a man for a week - no pain, no bleeding, no flooding through a super plus tampon and nighttime pad every two hours. They can enjoy the week, work without bleeding through clothing, travel on public transport without the fear of bleeding through. No pain. No about to faint because of pain. Then after a week, cue magic wand, they just go back to being a woman. Easy … except you can’t change sex. It’s impossible. Women’s spaces are for women because we deal with menstruation and need the space to manage this without men and that includes without men in a dress.

Helleofabore · 08/09/2024 09:39

You are right buttercrackers.

It really also was enlightening to see Amnasty International describe the women and girls in Afghanistan as ‘identifying as women and girls’!

If that didn’t send the alarm bells clanging on the old dissonance alarms of those supporting this meaningless use of language, I don’t know what will cause people
to stop and think. I mean when Amnasty International prioritised inclusive language over the needs of women and girls in Afghanistan to promote Amnasty’s policies, you have to think… hang on…

These language demands are now actively causing harm to some
of the most vulnerable people on earth, who cannot now even raise their voice for whatever reason in their own homes!

But once you start to pull the thread, realising that the language being demanded doesn’t actually work, and it is harmful, you have to think that there really is nothing of substance underpinning all of third demands.

It is all based on a group’s belief that they demand society treats as fact.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2024 09:43

"Amnasty" - perfect 👏

Arconialiving · 08/09/2024 09:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2024 09:43

"Amnasty" - perfect 👏

It really is!

Helleofabore · 08/09/2024 09:48

Their demands!! Not third. Oops.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2024 09:49

Whether homosexuality should be classed as anything other than the perfectly valid sexual orientation it is is a matter of opinion, and a contentious one.

And for the avoidance of doubt I did not mean that homophobia is a legitimate opinion, I meant that a belief that gay sex is wrong does not involve claiming a scientific untruth, it's that you feel that how people choose to live their lives is wrong. Claiming people can change their sex or "be born in the wrong body" is claiming a scientific untruth. Gender identity ideology is built on this untruth, and a whole heap of other pseudoscience.

ButterCrackers · 08/09/2024 10:36

Helleofabore · 08/09/2024 09:39

You are right buttercrackers.

It really also was enlightening to see Amnasty International describe the women and girls in Afghanistan as ‘identifying as women and girls’!

If that didn’t send the alarm bells clanging on the old dissonance alarms of those supporting this meaningless use of language, I don’t know what will cause people
to stop and think. I mean when Amnasty International prioritised inclusive language over the needs of women and girls in Afghanistan to promote Amnasty’s policies, you have to think… hang on…

These language demands are now actively causing harm to some
of the most vulnerable people on earth, who cannot now even raise their voice for whatever reason in their own homes!

But once you start to pull the thread, realising that the language being demanded doesn’t actually work, and it is harmful, you have to think that there really is nothing of substance underpinning all of third demands.

It is all based on a group’s belief that they demand society treats as fact.

I am shocked at amnesty international writing “identifying as women and girls”. It removes being female as fact, which is beyond appalling in the context.

Helleofabore · 08/09/2024 10:58

ButterCrackers · 08/09/2024 10:36

I am shocked at amnesty international writing “identifying as women and girls”. It removes being female as fact, which is beyond appalling in the context.

Edited

Yes.

However, when you (general 'you') are using that language, that is where it takes you. It is the only destination if you are using it consistently.

And if you are not using it consistently, as an organisation or an individual, why are you not using it consistently? Is it because you know it is a meaningless phrase that is offensive, but you expect female people you consider are privileged to just suck it up? Or do you know it is a meaningless phrase but you want the social positive feedback using it brings? Or the reverse, to avoid the negative feedback that not using it brings?

All the above are part of emotional manipulation by the way.

The phrase is emotionally manipulative in its motivation and its usage.

IDontHateRainbows · 08/09/2024 12:11

Not just affecting sex/ gender but the 'identifying as' thing has now worked it's way into disability, especially neurodiversity
I don't identify as having a ND condition, I was diagnosed by a consultant psychiatrist and until then I couldn't definitely claim to have it. Now every Tom Dick and Harriet is 'identifying as on the spectrum 'without any formal diagnosis, which rather devalued the diagnosis.

Solonga · 08/09/2024 12:16

It's an employment issue for them to sort out, I'm certainly not going to not buy my new sofa I have sorted out from there

KimberleyClark · 08/09/2024 15:36

I won't boycott them either. My city centre can't afford to lose another department store.

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