Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

1000 replies

Jdugsgsgwyd · 17/08/2024 14:42

Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
16
NoWordForFluffy · 17/08/2024 17:08

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:06

I don't think she's that clever tbh.

Pretty sure she's more intelligent than those who think a vagina is observed at birth! 😬🙈

Dygger · 17/08/2024 17:08

This is further evidenced by the fact we know from her family history that she was raised as a girl, which is a highly highly unlikely state of affairs if she doesn't at least physically appear to be female. Therefore unless you're proposing there has been some grand multilayered conspiracy to conceal a child's penis from birth in order to win a hypothetical future boxing match, we can be pretty confident Imane does indeed have a vagina.

Would you like to explain why IK was hoisted on a man's shoulders and carried around joyfully — something which is done with men but would never be done with a woman?

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 17:08

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:06

No, it's an utterly relevant point. That poster implied there was something fundamentally unwomanly about competing in a boxing match and they're not the first person I've seen do so.

Like most supporters of twaw you seem to lack very basic logic (sorry to seem rude but Im just describing reality, sorry)
Men in womens boxing smash womens skulls in (see fallon fox) women boxing each other is not the issue.

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 17:09

Its surprisingly unsatisfying arguing with stupid. We could have a thread about that.

DialSquare · 17/08/2024 17:10

I don’t want to play the gender critical “nothing is transphobic” game

No, you'll just keep playing the "everything is transphobic" game.

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 17:11

Some men get soooo riled when women have opinions.

Its funny, but also sad at the same time.

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:12

Dygger · 17/08/2024 17:08

This is further evidenced by the fact we know from her family history that she was raised as a girl, which is a highly highly unlikely state of affairs if she doesn't at least physically appear to be female. Therefore unless you're proposing there has been some grand multilayered conspiracy to conceal a child's penis from birth in order to win a hypothetical future boxing match, we can be pretty confident Imane does indeed have a vagina.

Would you like to explain why IK was hoisted on a man's shoulders and carried around joyfully — something which is done with men but would never be done with a woman?

Would you like to explain why IK was hoisted on a man's shoulders and carried around joyfully — something which is done with men but would never be done with a woman?

Says who? Who wrote that rule? Is that something you've just made up?

I'll spare you the humiliation of sharing links but spending literally 2 seconds on google will reveal many images of victorious female boxers being lifted on their coach's shoulders.

I think you're grasping at straws. And again, there's some misogyny creeping in there- "she can't be a woman because women would never do this thing" - says who? I thought being gender critical was supposed to be about challenging stereotypes?

Errors · 17/08/2024 17:12

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 16:51

Once again the rules shift when it becomes convenient to the gender critical argument. I thought the concept of birth sex not aligning with identity was one usually treated with derision, along with the suggestion men can have vaginas? Until you find someone you have a burning need to misgender then suddenly the rules change.

It’s not convenient, it’s a fact. If someone looks at your genitals when you’re born, and says “penis - it’s a boy” or “vagina - it’s a girl” in the vast vast majority of instances, they will be right.

But not necessarily if that individual has a DSD and their sex is incorrectly assigned.

I do NOT believe that ‘assigned male at birth’ actual XY chromosomed men can become women.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 17:13

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 17:09

Its surprisingly unsatisfying arguing with stupid. We could have a thread about that.

Isn't it just. More so when you put time into explaining stuff and they just don't engage with what you've written at all as they can't dispute it!!

Anywho 🤷🏼‍♀️

Tandora · 17/08/2024 17:13

NoWordForFluffy · 17/08/2024 17:02

They do an external inspection at birth. The vagina is inside your body. Somebody needs to go back to school!

Yes ok, I was using the term colloquially. It’s possible she has a blind vagina. She certainly wouldn’t have likely had a penis given her female sex assignment. Just more evidence that human sex is complicated and not in fact binary or “basic” at all eh? and also sex is assigned 👍🏻

Dygger · 17/08/2024 17:14

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:06

I don't think she's that clever tbh.

You think you're more clever than JKR, do you? Okey-dokey.

StealthSpinach · 17/08/2024 17:14

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:03

Khelif has an Algerian passport with an F on it. Algeria does not issue passports with an F on to people who weren't assigned female at birth. Birth sex is usually assigned based on genitalia. Ergo is it highly highly highly likely Khelif has female genitalia.

This is further evidenced by the fact we know from her family history that she was raised as a girl, which is a highly highly unlikely state of affairs if she doesn't at least physically appear to be female. Therefore unless you're proposing there has been some grand multilayered conspiracy to conceal a child's penis from birth in order to win a hypothetical future boxing match, we can be pretty confident Imane does indeed have a vagina.

Edited

How to say in many words that you have absolutely no understanding of DSDs.

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:15

NoWordForFluffy · 17/08/2024 17:02

They do an external inspection at birth. The vagina is inside your body. Somebody needs to go back to school!

Do you also think it's impossible to identify a cave by standing at the entrance?

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 17/08/2024 17:16

Tandora · 17/08/2024 17:01

Well the evidence we have of that was she was assigned female at birth. This is fairly solid evidence as it’s the basis on which (female) sex is almost always assigned.

Edited

Christ, how embarrassing for you. Three edits and you still can’t get it right.

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:18

Dygger · 17/08/2024 17:14

You think you're more clever than JKR, do you? Okey-dokey.

Edited

I hate to break it to you, but statistically there are many many many people in the world who are cleverer than JK Rowling.

Tandora · 17/08/2024 17:18

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 17/08/2024 17:16

Christ, how embarrassing for you. Three edits and you still can’t get it right.

Christ, how embarrassing for you

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:19

I'm not discussing whether she has a DSD, I'm discussing whether she has a vagina as that was the question asked. Even if she has a DSD we can still be pretty confident she has a vagina for all the reasons outlined above.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 17/08/2024 17:19

Dygger · 17/08/2024 17:14

You think you're more clever than JKR, do you? Okey-dokey.

Edited

Some posters apparently don't believe women can read

I can't wait to read the next Strike book. I will buy the hard back for sure.

On the other hand I'm tapping out of here now because I'm bored of arguing with those who don't have the most basic school level knowledge of either logic or female anatomy.

NoWordForFluffy · 17/08/2024 17:19

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:19

I'm not discussing whether she has a DSD, I'm discussing whether she has a vagina as that was the question asked. Even if she has a DSD we can still be pretty confident she has a vagina for all the reasons outlined above.

No, we can't.

Errors · 17/08/2024 17:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/08/2024 17:05

It's not hate to say that biologically male people shouldn't be competing in women's sporting categories.

Using the word "hate" in this way is making the word as meaningless as "transphobic".

Quite!
The fucking Paris Olympics and their shite opening ceremony… “we have reached gender parity in this Olympics! Yay us!”

Then fails to mention that some of the female athletes are actually male. Hmmmmm

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 17:22

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 17:13

Isn't it just. More so when you put time into explaining stuff and they just don't engage with what you've written at all as they can't dispute it!!

Anywho 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes, always round in the same old circle;

Women shut up! how dare you not BE KIND!!!

Calm logic and facts

Some scientifically illiterate bullshit

Calm logic and facts

Name calling and threats

Calm logic and facts

silence....

spannasaurus · 17/08/2024 17:22

Just had a quick read about the T/E tests which are looking at the ratio of testosterone to epitesterone which should be in equal amounts for natural testosterone. Doping changes the ratio.
If an athlete naturally has male testosterone levels wouldn't they pass the T/E test?

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 17/08/2024 17:23

I literally explained the reality of the genitalia for a child with 5ARD above, it did not include a vagina.

Google the Prader scale, look at the pictures for yourself if you need to visualise it rather than read a description.

Ffs debating this is like you're invisible at times!

FreedomDogs · 17/08/2024 17:24

Rymeswithpunt · 17/08/2024 17:22

Yes, always round in the same old circle;

Women shut up! how dare you not BE KIND!!!

Calm logic and facts

Some scientifically illiterate bullshit

Calm logic and facts

Name calling and threats

Calm logic and facts

silence....

I'm sorry, but your side are really really not offering calm logic and facts.

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/08/2024 17:24

Tandora · 17/08/2024 16:18

Lolllllllll. Her twitter feed is more than ample evidence of that.

Not everyone is on Twitter. So you should probably explain what you mean here.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.