JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

True, but the difference between them and your full Monty friend is that above the not quite wide enough baby delivering pelvis, are the uterus and Fallopian tubes that make the not quite wide enough pelvis an issue when it comes to delivering the baby - which of course is a situation that your full Monty friend will never have to consider seeing as his full Monty is for show purposes only. A bit like have a beautiful fireplace in your sitting room but with the chimney blocked off.

The “knowledge” that you are a woman is your gender identity.

You can merely observe that one side can actually explain what it is they believe and articulate why, whereas the other side cannot and so just say "bigot!" and "I am not willing to debate this" instead.

My knowledge that I am a woman is based on sex, not "gender".

Even if "not having gender dysphoria" were an identity, which I dispute, how would "being a biologically male person with gender dysphoria" be the same identity as "being a biologically female person without gender dysphoria"?

What do trans women have in common with women besides being human?

Using the same word about themselves is meaningless if they don't agree about what the word actually means or are using different definitions of the same word, in the same way that the piece of leather on the bottom of your shoe is not a species of fish.

What is the "Knowledge"?

"The “knowledge” that you are a woman is your gender identity."

This falls immediately apart when you consider that the label 'woman' includes the very opposite of the established and common use of language to communicate with others.

You cannot categorise people under the same label that have the very opposite material realities. The only way for a person to be a 'woman', is to be a female person with a body formed around the production of large gametes, requiring no inclusion in that definition of a person with testes or testes tissue when that female person has reached maturity. I do not have a 'gender identity' at all. I am a person who merely exists as a female person and I negotiate my life around the realities of having to deal with the consequences of having that female body.

So, no. That is your philosophical belief that has taken over common use language and twisted the meaning to be the opposite to suit your own political agenda.

Why are people arguing about Trans issues? Imane Khelif is not trans, has been brought up as a woman and until recently I doubt she or anyone ever questioned whether she was a woman. Whether or not the IOC should change their rules into who can and can't compete in women's sports is not relevant as to whether it is okay to abuse someone who has followed the IOC rules.
Some of the comments JKR made sound really nasty to anyone who doesn't spend all their time obsessing on MN about trans issues i.e. most of the world. JKR didn't just criticise the IOC or the rules which would have been understandable. She aimed her comments as Imane Khelif herself. e.g. "This isn't sport. From the bullying cheat in red all the way up to the organizers who allowed this to happen, this is men reveling in their power over women." or "The smirk of a male who's knows he's protected by a misogynist sporting establishment enjoying the distress of a woman he's just punched in the head, and whose life's ambition he's just shattered."

How is it okay and not bullying to say that about an innocent person who has followed the rules?

The current testo levels aren't the issue.
The testo levels for the duration of puberty, at which point they have clearly undergone male puberty, is the issue.

The developmental effects of male puberty are irreversible. No matter how low the testo levels are now ( and I guarantee they will be many times that of a woman), they have already developed the physical sporting advantages of the male body.

No, the understanding that you are a woman because of the way your body works is what makes you understand your sex.

In English using pronouns that linguistically relate to your known sex is not accepting a gendered identity, it is valuing the gendered language that is used about your sex, which in many instances makes it easier for people to understand who is being spoken about or referenced, makes meaning clear and unambiguous, and avoids clumsy unwieldy word mashups . And is a personal choice.

Not all trans people have gender dysphoria.

makes meaning clear and unambiguous

clear and unambiguous for who? It erases the experience of gender and sex diverse people.

Because people keep bringing it up.

As far as IK is concerned
Questions have been asked, they have been asked because it brings up the safety of the sport and whether the rules are correct.

JKR did mention the IOC, "the organisers".
As for whether they should have changed the rules, they have been incompetent and weak on so many levels, in this case passing the buck to the organisations then dismissing the organisation in question.

The IOC needs the "grow a pair" (pun intended) and sort out its shit.

Have you removed Khelif's agency to make decisions based on respect and not just 'rules'?

Think about what other category boundaries you would be happy to accept using your own 'the rules allowed it' argument. Would you say the same about:

A 25 year old competing against a 10 year old in a 10 and under category?

A 25 year old competing against a 85 year old in a 85+ year old masters category?

A person who had 90% vision competing with someone with 5% vision in visually impaired category for those with 5% and less ?

A person who was a professional standard athlete competing in a novice only event ?

A bicycle with an electric engine competing against a 100% human powered bicycle in the Tour de France?

If you have said yes to any of these, why?

if you have said no, then why would you accept a male with pubertal advantages in a female sports category where that male person can deliver a life limited or shortening punch and declare them 'innocent' for knowing the rules and competing despite knowing they have male pubertal advantage ?

I said it is a personal choice. What words other people choose to use is their personal choice. No one is erased because I expect others to use the words she and her when they refer to me.

Yes and this is something that many older generation (and some younger generation) trans people are really pissed off about as it (to paraphrase your next post) "erases their experience".

Also why would making the definition "clear and unambiguous" "erase the experience of gender and sex diverse people."

I don’t know how to put it most simply. It’s the part of your brain that is conscious “I am a woman”. It is distinct from your chromosomes or your genitals or your gametes or your hormones , which have no consciousness of their own.

Why are these discussions around gender always excluding the rest of the gender identities that transgender people identify as?

There are over 100+ genders. Yet, we are constantly being told to affirm the ones relating to binary sex.

I'm not talking about surgery.
People can 'identify' as whatever gender they want, apparently, whether they've had surgery or not.

So, again, the question is: two naked men standing side by side. Neither has had any kind of surgery but one 'identifies' as a transwoman.
What is the actual difference in those two individuals?

I ask the question again however you have just confirmed the 'difference' would be whether or not they've had surgery - which totally debunks the idea that 'a woman can have a penis'.

In which case, sex NOT gender IS clearly relevant.

So pleased we got there in the end. 👍

It does not "erase" them, it simply clarifies that the thing they are experiencing is not the same thing as empirical knowledge of one's body sex.

As I stated before, this does not mean their experiences are not real. It just means the two different experiences, one of knowing the actual sex of your body and one of "feeling you are a different sex in your mind" should have different words. Because they are manifestly no the same thing at all.

Trans women know they have male bodies. They also feel they are women in their minds. These facts are both true. If you label the trans woman a woman because of her mind you erase the fact of her body. If you call her a man because of her body you erase her experience of her mind.

Simply, we need language to express both.

And once you realise we need new language the sensible approach given that the words man and women have referred to body sex for far longer than they referred to gender, and that laws and rights were written using them to mean sex rather than gender, is to retain Man and Woman for sex and think up new names for the varied and diverse experiences of gender.

So there is no definition. It is just the ambiguous feeling of something and everyone else must agree to it?

Nope.

That is still your personal philsophical belief.

The majority of people use the word to reflect their material reality based on navigating life with a body that is categorised as being one of two sexes.

You choose to place your philosophical belief at the centre of this because that is your personal belief, so much so that you have a doctorate in this belief system. My 'chromosomes' and 'genitals' are part of my body and my brain has control over all my body parts.

Woman is a meaningful label only if it includes people who have a body that can be categorised as female. Your attempt to leverage in male people makes the term meaningless and it strips female people of the collective language they need to describe their unique body.

You keep trying to describe your philosophical belief as if it reflects material reality. But you can't. You never have been able to.

Plus ca change!

@Jumpingthruhoops as I've already made clear I'm not engaging in debate over the 'GC' approach to trans.

I know what I think and I'm happy to stick with it.

I take you weren't listening during Biology at school? Even if it's very small, a woman's pelvis is still differently shaped to a man's. It's very basic anatomy.

"I know what I think and I'm happy to stick with it."

But that doesn't mean that everyone else has to agree with it, nor does it mean that when John says that he is now "Janet", that I should be referring to him as she/her when most of the time I will be calling him "Janet".