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FFS why don't you drive ??

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nextdoorconundrum · 15/08/2024 19:43

So annoying to read threads on here that start with .. I don't drive .. my dp/DH does ..

Why why this is even a thing ? Does benefit of penis somehow render them more able to? Does their testosterone somehow benefit their abilities.. or is it simply something men regard as an essential in life ?

Before you all pile on .. yes there are certain disabilities that count you out . Severely visually impaired.. uncontrolled epilepsy.. but when one of my best mates who has spina bifida managed it with a hand controlled car via motability.. I think perhaps it's just not trying hard enough and happy for the man to do the driving .. even my autistic step son (severe - (special school until 21) got his license..

There is only one reason I can think not to bother - and that is because you are city dwellers with excellent public transportation .. but the rest of you .. why ? It just seems so 'weedy' .

OP posts:
Leah5678 · 16/08/2024 15:21

I became a parent before I could legally learn to drive so it's never been a priority. I don't live in a big city but admittedly I can't say I live in a super rural area either. Yes I have to walk everywhere and I'm very fit and healthy so are my kids win every race at sports day 🤷🏻‍♀️ I know people who were thin till they got a car then gained stones within months.
Also driving lessons are a lot more expensive than they were in the past

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:21

localnotail · 16/08/2024 15:11

I dont see how walking 15 minutes to the shop/ station somehow different to driving 15 minutes to the nearest town.

I liked living where I did, huge house, big garden, fresh air - it was great. I equally love living in London, for entirely different reasons. I like having more choices, not less.

Edited

I live in a reasonably sized house (2,000 sq ft) have a nice sized garden, fresh (sea) air in a nice secluded spot. I’ve got all that within a five minute walk to my high street. No need for me to be living in the middle of nowhere, which never appeals to me.

And personally there’s a huge difference between a fifteen minute walk versus a fifteen minute drive to town. I’d rather walk.

Dreamcatchergirl · 16/08/2024 15:23

taxguru · 16/08/2024 15:21

@Dreamcatchergirl

I commented before about friends taking advantage, but it is people who expect lifts and don’t offer any petrol money that annoy me. I had a friend who constantly asked for lifts or didn’t ever want to get a bus or train to me so I always drove to her. She would constantly suggest going to places an hour or so away and then say “but you drive and get me first of course” she never offered Petrol money (I wouldn’t of accepted but that’s beside the point) or a thanks for being picked up. That’s the sort of people in OP’s post that I do agree with are frustrating. Every time her boyfriend or I suggested she learnt to drive she would say “but others pick me up so why would I bother doing lessons”

Nail on the head there. That's exactly what people on here are complaining about. That kind of "entitled" attitude of people expecting others to accommodate them.

Yes 100%. I guess it’s not really a driver vs non driver situation, more the fact some people are just lazy and entitled

I know plenty of non drivers (including myself before getting my license) who managed getting myself from a to b without constantly expecting lifts from others.

But there are definitely people out there who don’t drive out of pure laziness becuase everyone else will be their taxi

NowImNotDoingIt · 16/08/2024 15:24

@Dreamcatchergirl but that's an issue because she's a dick/CF, not because she's a non driver. She'd still be one even if she drove, just in different ways.

On the odd occasion I asked or got offered a lift, I always offered petrol money and since it's always rejected I tend to buy drinks/lunch/some treat and I always express how much I appreciate it.

Dreamcatchergirl · 16/08/2024 15:25

NowImNotDoingIt · 16/08/2024 15:24

@Dreamcatchergirl but that's an issue because she's a dick/CF, not because she's a non driver. She'd still be one even if she drove, just in different ways.

On the odd occasion I asked or got offered a lift, I always offered petrol money and since it's always rejected I tend to buy drinks/lunch/some treat and I always express how much I appreciate it.

I just posted before you did, it’s not a non driver vs driver situation. More just some people are entitled (driver or not)

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:25

Dreamcatchergirl · 16/08/2024 15:23

Yes 100%. I guess it’s not really a driver vs non driver situation, more the fact some people are just lazy and entitled

I know plenty of non drivers (including myself before getting my license) who managed getting myself from a to b without constantly expecting lifts from others.

But there are definitely people out there who don’t drive out of pure laziness becuase everyone else will be their taxi

And that’s a very different and understandable scenario to some of the insults that have been thrown by drivers on here to all non drivers (wimp, ick, wouldn’t be friends with etc).

Dreamcatchergirl · 16/08/2024 15:28

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:25

And that’s a very different and understandable scenario to some of the insults that have been thrown by drivers on here to all non drivers (wimp, ick, wouldn’t be friends with etc).

Well that’s just insane. As a driver I don’t put myself on a pedestal above non drivers. Don’t get me wrong I’m glad I can drive and it was one of the best thing I ever learnt but it’s not for everyone. Can’t imagine being so self absorbed to think that non drivers are wimps, and not being friends with someone who doesn’t drive is crazy (unless they are taking advantage)

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:30

Dreamcatchergirl · 16/08/2024 15:28

Well that’s just insane. As a driver I don’t put myself on a pedestal above non drivers. Don’t get me wrong I’m glad I can drive and it was one of the best thing I ever learnt but it’s not for everyone. Can’t imagine being so self absorbed to think that non drivers are wimps, and not being friends with someone who doesn’t drive is crazy (unless they are taking advantage)

There’s been some quite nasty posters on here with superiority complexes thinking they’re special because they drive when others don’t.

localnotail · 16/08/2024 15:33

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:21

I live in a reasonably sized house (2,000 sq ft) have a nice sized garden, fresh (sea) air in a nice secluded spot. I’ve got all that within a five minute walk to my high street. No need for me to be living in the middle of nowhere, which never appeals to me.

And personally there’s a huge difference between a fifteen minute walk versus a fifteen minute drive to town. I’d rather walk.

Edited

Well, what can I say, good for you?

No idea how it applies to the other people on this thread.

Appledoughnut · 16/08/2024 15:39

So what I'm getting from this is drivers need to grow backbones and learn how to say no.

Beezknees · 16/08/2024 15:40

localnotail · 16/08/2024 14:39

I looked at it differently - I would not put myself in a position where I can't live somewhere just because I can't drive!

I don't WANT to live rurally though. Even if I could drive. It doesn't appeal to me.

Beezknees · 16/08/2024 15:41

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 14:51

Even if I drove (I used to), living in a remote village where you need to drive just to get a pint of milk would never appeal to me. Even if I had a 24 hour chauffeur at my disposal I wouldn’t live somewhere rural or without amenities or a close by train station.

Same here.

If I could afford to I'd live in central London. That's my idea of heaven.

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:48

Beezknees · 16/08/2024 15:41

Same here.

If I could afford to I'd live in central London. That's my idea of heaven.

Yes, I’m a city girl at heart. Rural living doesn’t appeal.

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:51

localnotail · 16/08/2024 15:33

Well, what can I say, good for you?

No idea how it applies to the other people on this thread.

You gave the impression you were able to live in a big house with a big garden and fresh air because you drive and can choose to be more rural. I’m saying one doesn’t have to be rural (or a driver) to have those things too.

localnotail · 16/08/2024 16:04

Beezknees · 16/08/2024 15:40

I don't WANT to live rurally though. Even if I could drive. It doesn't appeal to me.

I dont understand why people on here latched on to me saying I lived in a village. Like its and "Ah, see!" moment that totally justifies them being aggressively against learning to drive.

I could have lived there happily without needing to drive. I could have commuted on the train to my job (exDH could have dropped me off by the station/ picked me up no problem). I could have use taxis for shopping. But.

I wanted to have the freedom driving a car gives you. I could pick my mum from the airport and driven her to my house. I could drive to the seaside, or some woods, or a lake. I could drive to big shops out of town - like, I could drive to a garden centre and buy lots of plants. I could go to a huge country fair, or antique fair, or a car boot sale in the middle of nowhere and buy antique furniture, or something else I fancied - without worrying how I will get it home. I could drive around country for my job - and I did go on the train when I could, but in most cases it was not an option.

If you never driven, and like to stay put in one place, you cant possibly know how liberating being able to drive can be - and I guess you would be unaware that there are places in this country you can only get to by car.

NowImNotDoingIt · 16/08/2024 16:07

If you never driven, and like to stay put in one place,

These two are not synonymous, especially since plenty of drivers like to stay put in one place too.

localnotail · 16/08/2024 16:08

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 15:51

You gave the impression you were able to live in a big house with a big garden and fresh air because you drive and can choose to be more rural. I’m saying one doesn’t have to be rural (or a driver) to have those things too.

You completely misunderstood what I was saying. I lived where I did because I had to, but I learned to drive because I wanted to. I would have done it even if I lived in the city as I believe it gives you freedom and independence.

localnotail · 16/08/2024 16:09

NowImNotDoingIt · 16/08/2024 16:07

If you never driven, and like to stay put in one place,

These two are not synonymous, especially since plenty of drivers like to stay put in one place too.

I did say AND, which implies they are not synonyms.

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 16:13

If not driving makes a woman a feeble wimp then I’m quite happy to be in the company of:

JK Rowling
Mariah Carey
Christina Aguillera
Barbra Streisand
Jennifer Lopez
Tina Fey

All highly successful women who have either never driven or given up due to finding driving too nerve wracking.

taxguru · 16/08/2024 16:16

BunnyLake · 16/08/2024 16:13

If not driving makes a woman a feeble wimp then I’m quite happy to be in the company of:

JK Rowling
Mariah Carey
Christina Aguillera
Barbra Streisand
Jennifer Lopez
Tina Fey

All highly successful women who have either never driven or given up due to finding driving too nerve wracking.

Most of those can afford chauffers and taxis so won't be relying on anyone to ferry them around. They can also afford to live where they want, probably have domestic staff to go shopping, look after kids, etc. They're really not going to be dependant upon family and friends to give them lifts!

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 16/08/2024 16:20

localnotail · 16/08/2024 16:09

I did say AND, which implies they are not synonyms.

Actually you would have needed OR there.

AND means you need the two things. OR means either is ok.

ShelfService · 16/08/2024 16:22

Beezknees · 16/08/2024 15:41

Same here.

If I could afford to I'd live in central London. That's my idea of heaven.

My dream retirement plan would be to a beautiful home in Mayfair.
Sadly, it will never happen😏

ShelfService · 16/08/2024 16:25

I am a driver. But the smugness of some of the car drivers here it is just embarrassing. Like driving a car is something to show off about! It’s like they have made some incredible discovery and have the keys to a world that non-drivers will never know. I am cringeing for them!

EsioTrotlove · 16/08/2024 16:25

taxguru · 16/08/2024 16:16

Most of those can afford chauffers and taxis so won't be relying on anyone to ferry them around. They can also afford to live where they want, probably have domestic staff to go shopping, look after kids, etc. They're really not going to be dependant upon family and friends to give them lifts!

But practically every non driver on this thread has been quite clear that they are not dependent on friends and family for lifts. This thread is not about cheeky fuckery . The premise of the thread is that those women who don’t drive are deficient in some way. An accomplished woman - a far more accomplished woman than the OP, far better travelled, richer by dint of her own brains and hard work, well thought of as a member of the community, holder of talents few have, fitter, showing a better example to her children and a better citizen of a planet being crippled by environmental irresponsibility - is somehow pathetic in the eyes of people like the OP.

Torcentre · 16/08/2024 16:29

im With @nextdoorconundrum it does my fucking head in.

And non drivers always clsim they don’t need to and never get lifts, but it’s never true!!

It’s part of being an independent adult

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