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To think there's got to be at least a couple of MNers involved in the rioting ?

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IdontlikePinaColada · 04/08/2024 20:30

Based in the broad views seen here, I can't believe that there isn't someone who is involved either passively or actively.
If you are one of those, would you like to explain why?

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Hatfullofwillow · 07/08/2024 00:45

ATenShun · 06/08/2024 22:55

Let me start by saying attacking anybody is wrong. But just a quick google has just enlightened me to how many immigration lawyers and advisors we have. A massive industry has been made out of the situation.

Now lets be brutally honest here. Who is paying for their services, Why are they needed, Are they part of the reason getting asylum decisions and returning non legitimate immigrants to their home Countries is so slow.

Are there appeal after appeal on return decisions. Are the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers paying these legal fees? Do they if unsuccesful & after exhausting all avenues pay back the cost of room and board while their case is heard.

We all know the answer to these questions, but some don't like the answer that it is the British taxpayer.

Immigration lawyers in general most often deal with Visa applications, so are paid by the applicant, or the company when it's someone applying to work here. Asylum claims are a specialised area, one that's been complicated by Brexit and new legislation.

67% of asylum claims are given protection awards at the first stage, about a third of appeals are successful. So that leaves roughly 22% of all asylum claims as unsuccessfully appealed. It's a fraction out of the £4 billion we're currently spending on clearing the backlog that's been allowed to develop since 2018.

Over £100 billion of government revenue isn't raised from tax and out of the £1 trillion in revenue we raise, it's a very small amount we're spending on lawyers.

But sure, let's attack immigration centres, that'll speed up the process.

AngelusBell · 07/08/2024 01:59

Stripedchutney · 06/08/2024 23:29

Indeed. I only found this out recently. So if you want to seek sanctuary here, you have to be here. I was a bit gobsmacked. It seems quite simple to me now. To stop people making the dangerous boat crossing, create a means to seek sanctuary from outside the UK.

We had that until the oven-ready Brexit deal.

AngelusBell · 07/08/2024 02:01

Hatfullofwillow · 07/08/2024 00:45

Immigration lawyers in general most often deal with Visa applications, so are paid by the applicant, or the company when it's someone applying to work here. Asylum claims are a specialised area, one that's been complicated by Brexit and new legislation.

67% of asylum claims are given protection awards at the first stage, about a third of appeals are successful. So that leaves roughly 22% of all asylum claims as unsuccessfully appealed. It's a fraction out of the £4 billion we're currently spending on clearing the backlog that's been allowed to develop since 2018.

Over £100 billion of government revenue isn't raised from tax and out of the £1 trillion in revenue we raise, it's a very small amount we're spending on lawyers.

But sure, let's attack immigration centres, that'll speed up the process.

Totally agree - spousal and work visas, nothing to do with asylum claims and absolutely no excuse for attacking their offices, which tend to be situated near mosques and other places of worship.

PerkingFaintly · 07/08/2024 11:59

ATenShun · 06/08/2024 22:55

Let me start by saying attacking anybody is wrong. But just a quick google has just enlightened me to how many immigration lawyers and advisors we have. A massive industry has been made out of the situation.

Now lets be brutally honest here. Who is paying for their services, Why are they needed, Are they part of the reason getting asylum decisions and returning non legitimate immigrants to their home Countries is so slow.

Are there appeal after appeal on return decisions. Are the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers paying these legal fees? Do they if unsuccesful & after exhausting all avenues pay back the cost of room and board while their case is heard.

We all know the answer to these questions, but some don't like the answer that it is the British taxpayer.

I'm sorry, this made me laugh.

I, personally, do know some people who have paid for immigration lawyers.

And they are, indeed, taxpayers and British – now!

At the time, while their claim was being processed, they were foreign asylum seekers.

They felt they needed a lawyer because the Home Office was so appallingly shite at the paperwork – including losing various of their important documents, which to this day they've never had back. They paid for the lawyer themselves out of their scarce funds. Personally I felt that, as the lawyer's own document-handling left something to be desired, they weren't getting value for money. It was actually their local MP who kicked the Home Office up the arse to get on with processing their claim – and they were indeed found to be legitimate refugees (unsurprisingly).

If you're in the UK yourself, @ATenShun , you may well have been a beneficiary of their daily work and of their tax.

PerfectYear321 · 07/08/2024 17:20

The last government was criminally negligent. I can't believe what they've done to every single public service

JustAVeryWeirdWoman · 07/08/2024 17:36

I'm not sure what the people who claim "legitimate concerns", "worries about uncontrolled migration" and other such dogwhistles even want. I mean, I know what they want. They want the UK to be all-white and all Anglo-Saxon and everyone else to be kicked out. But do they realistically actually believe this is possible? It's not significantly more achievable than living forever or growing wings. So what's the point of all this? Do you want politicians to lie to you and say yes, darling, the UK can become a North Korea-style fortress with no immigration, we'll get onto it right away?

"We want to be heard! People want immigration to stop!" OK, but your wishes are fantasy nonsense. It's not possible to stop migration altogether and it's not possible to kick out every brown person who is already in the UK. All the contrary, as more wars kick off in other countries and more areas are made uninhabitable by climate change, there will be more foreigners coming to the UK, not fewer. And there will be more need for them, not less, because the UK workforce is depleted, ill and aging. So you can't have what you want. What do you want everyone else to do about it?

Short of shooting anyone who arrives at Dover, which I hope is not being proposed, others will still come over here if they want to and need to, because ultimately borders are an imaginary social convention and humans are a very stubborn and resilient hairless monkey species. Actually, even if you start shooting people at Dover, some, many, will still get through! Human beings will go through literally anything to achieve a goal, and you have no idea what some of the people resorting to illegal migration have been through, they're not gonna be scared by Dave from Wetherspoons.

I would also like to not grow old, never die, have ten million pounds, marry Brad Pitt when he was 25 and have invisibility powers. But guess what, it's not possible, so I'm not going out breaking windows and setting shit on fire to whine about my impossible wishes. Grow up, "people with concerns". FFS.

IncompleteSenten · 07/08/2024 17:44

After all the shit I've read on here the last few days I would like to withdraw my initial clearly naïve opinion and replace it with "probably quite a few."

stronglatte · 07/08/2024 20:01

Sky News right now: Massive protests in Bristol and elsewhere but ALL anti racist protestors - not one EDL or racists out. Huge crowds of peace marchers. Presenter just said it's not a counter protest because no protest to counter. Fingers crossed the nazis stay away. If you are there you're a hero

PerfectYear321 · 07/08/2024 20:07

stronglatte · 07/08/2024 20:01

Sky News right now: Massive protests in Bristol and elsewhere but ALL anti racist protestors - not one EDL or racists out. Huge crowds of peace marchers. Presenter just said it's not a counter protest because no protest to counter. Fingers crossed the nazis stay away. If you are there you're a hero

Sky News hoping something is going to kick off. They love it

stronglatte · 07/08/2024 20:16

@PerfectYear321 true .. Zooming in on possible trouble makers only to find out it's a anti fascist protestor..

PerfectYear321 · 07/08/2024 20:28

stronglatte · 07/08/2024 20:16

@PerfectYear321 true .. Zooming in on possible trouble makers only to find out it's a anti fascist protestor..

Exactly! 😂

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