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To think there's got to be at least a couple of MNers involved in the rioting ?

211 replies

IdontlikePinaColada · 04/08/2024 20:30

Based in the broad views seen here, I can't believe that there isn't someone who is involved either passively or actively.
If you are one of those, would you like to explain why?

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MadameMassiveSalad · 05/08/2024 22:25

That would be to presume these twats can read op.

MadameMassiveSalad · 05/08/2024 22:26

cupcaske123 · 04/08/2024 22:42

I've been throwing bricks at the rozzers all day. I'm cream crackered.

😆

kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 05/08/2024 22:26

ATenShun · 05/08/2024 21:20

I'll stick with illegal immigrant thanks.

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Well you’d be quite wrong :)
it’s perfectly legal to enter a country by irregular means for the purpose of seeking asylum.

which is just as well cos it’s not currently possible to make an asylum claim from outside the country either

MadameMassiveSalad · 05/08/2024 22:27

HeddaGarbled · 04/08/2024 22:51

I think these men, if they were aware of or have an opinion about Mumsnet users, would despise and denigrate us. It’s hard to think of two demographics which are further apart.

There were women involved too.

kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 05/08/2024 22:28

kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 05/08/2024 21:08

edit I can point you to an Amnesty report from Autumn last which covers this question in quite good detail if you would genuinely like to know more on this specifically q. This might serve better than an enormous post here, since what i’ve typed is already big 😂

Similarly with some other resources providing context for eg: the apparent uneven balance of single male asylum seekers, etc. I don’t know how it works with posting links here but if it is permitted and you would like it, please let me know.

Ultimately, and for the sake of brevity, I think we can be frank about admitting that neither of us is going to change our overall perspective based on this conversation, which is ok. But I think it’s hugely important for both to be able to listen and take away facts from conversations like this. I firmly agree with you that asylum seekers should not ‘take away’ resources from established populations (I believe that they need not, either, with better governance). I can accept your perspective that there is a lot around UK immigration policy that needs be made far more transparent. I think that immigration, legal or not, and asylum issues are often conflated deliberately by bad faith actors and also by those in power for whom it is a handy distraction from an unwillingness or inability to resolve issues.

Ultimately, I think that, since the UK actually hosts less than 1% of the global refugee population, it is fair enough for the answer to “why are they here” to be “because we were there”, both in the sense of Britain’s colonial and military past, but also in the sense of the benefits our country has enjoyed by being the default language for global trade and industry. It’s not unreasonable to realise how a combination of both of these things makes the country an attractive prospect for people. What I will say, is that I think the ‘myth’of the UK being a tolerant, prosperous and welcoming place to rebuild a life has been hugely disestablished in recent years. Personally I think this is both a huge shame, and something for us to collectively feel shame for. Perspectives can, will, and do differ :)

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Sorry this was meant to be a reply to @ATenShun’s question about why Afghans wanting to leave Afghanistan don’t stop in Pakistan but I didn’t post it correctly

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGG · 05/08/2024 22:29

StarDolphins · 04/08/2024 22:45

My feeling is that MN is far too left wing to ever be involved. I don’t think anyone on here would do this.

😂😂😂😂

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/08/2024 22:46

No, but it’s pearl clutching to suggest anybody with concerns over immigration is a fascist, which is basically the stock response on here.

What a load of bollocks.🙄 Most people have concerns over immigration. It was widely discussed by politicians, public, including Mnetters, and journalists in the run up to the GE a few weeks ago. It is still widely discussed. Discussing it doesn't mean facism.

If someone is being called a facist on Mnet, it's probably because they're a facist.🤷‍♀️

RosaRoja · 05/08/2024 22:53

@TooBigForMyBoots well said. We saw NF’s face at every turn, on every TV programme. Lots of talk about immigration on the radio (I listen to LBC), in the press. It’s not not being talked about. People with “legitimate concerns” have been heard and listened to. Rwanda was never going to work, so let’s forget that. Let’s see what Labour come up with , the Tories have done incredible damage to community relations. The far-right is salivating at the prospect of some rich pickings, or just destabilising the country.

biscuitandcake · 05/08/2024 22:54

ATenShun · 04/08/2024 23:11

I suspect there is a silent significant proportion of the population who don't support the rioting, but do support what is being demonstrated against. I believe what was considered being middle of the road politically is now being wrongly labelled far right.

Statements like look after our own problems first. Or to ask a limit on the amount of single male immigrants arriving and being put up in hotels in small towns as well as cities. Should not be considered racist. Yet anyone of late speaking this type of talk get branded racist.

This is the same issue happening right across Europe and our politicians have ignored this simmering unrest for too long, and are now reaping the consequences.

They aren't "demonstrating" against anything. You get protests/demonstrations that turn violent. Usually then people will have signs. I see no signs, some flags OK but no signs. And there was no protest that turned violent. Just a bunch of people that want to have fun setting fire to police cars and bins while the weather is nice.

I also really object to the idea being pushed that the more shouty/violent someone is, the more they somehow care about an issue. Or the more justified/correct they are. Sorry no- if person A is setting fire to a bin that doesn't mean they have been "pushed beyond their limit" compared to person B who is protesting peacefully. I just means they like setting fire to bins.

brunettemic · 05/08/2024 22:57

I don’t know about that but a lot of them, male and female (laughing at the people on here saying there isn’t women) seem to here far fewer teeth than the average person.

biscuitandcake · 05/08/2024 23:07

Also we JUST had a sodding election. At which people had the ability to make their feelings know at the polls. People did - and the Conservatives lost big time to labour. Several Reform candidates got in. I am not thrilled about Reform, I don't like them, I didn't vote for them, but they were democratically elected so them's the breaks. The people setting fire to things are not some downtrodded group with no other way of making their voices be heard. They are twats. And Nigel Farage is a twat for playing up to this idea he is somehow politically oppressed.

A lot of councils have cut back on children's activities, youth clubs, even paddling pools because of budget issues But we apparently have to turn the whole country into a big adventure playground for (mostly but not only) men to vent their anger on regardless the cost because "they feel ignored". Fuck no.

Rainbowsponge · 05/08/2024 23:10

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/08/2024 22:46

No, but it’s pearl clutching to suggest anybody with concerns over immigration is a fascist, which is basically the stock response on here.

What a load of bollocks.🙄 Most people have concerns over immigration. It was widely discussed by politicians, public, including Mnetters, and journalists in the run up to the GE a few weeks ago. It is still widely discussed. Discussing it doesn't mean facism.

If someone is being called a facist on Mnet, it's probably because they're a facist.🤷‍♀️

*fascist.

What do you think ‘gives a fascist away’ on Mumsnet?

SwordToFlamethrower · 05/08/2024 23:25

The white men are angry that the brown and black people are raping and murdering "their women". Because white women and girls belong to white men, not brown men.

ProvincialLady2024 · 05/08/2024 23:50

I sincerely doubt any mumsnet women are involved.
From I can see the rioters seem to be poor white men who have come out of the education system uneducated. They are angry and untitled and probably not that bright.
I know there are women included, but no where near as many men.
Probably just underachievers looking to blame anyone and everyone else for their failures.

Rainbowsponge · 05/08/2024 23:53

SwordToFlamethrower · 05/08/2024 23:25

The white men are angry that the brown and black people are raping and murdering "their women". Because white women and girls belong to white men, not brown men.

I hope you meant to put the raping and killing part in speech marks?????

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/08/2024 00:45

ProvincialLady2024 · 05/08/2024 23:50

I sincerely doubt any mumsnet women are involved.
From I can see the rioters seem to be poor white men who have come out of the education system uneducated. They are angry and untitled and probably not that bright.
I know there are women included, but no where near as many men.
Probably just underachievers looking to blame anyone and everyone else for their failures.

Although quite a few Mnetters spread misinformation and lies in the hours and days after the tragedy in Southport. They're just as responsible for the far right violence we've seen the past week.HmmAngry

BeachParty · 06/08/2024 01:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/08/2024 00:45

Although quite a few Mnetters spread misinformation and lies in the hours and days after the tragedy in Southport. They're just as responsible for the far right violence we've seen the past week.HmmAngry

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Yes, being out there physically rioting isn't the only way people are supporting it.
People stoking up online are doing their fair share too.

IItisymoi · 06/08/2024 14:06

And, while we are at it, since when have women been so virtuous and generally 'angelic'? It was 6 women (5 of them solicitors) that have made me suicidal and in the process causing actual brain damage. Fortunately a large number of 'foreign' women (and men) have worked very hard to try to keep me alive and healthy. None of this is related to the riots but life in general.

Hatfullofwillow · 06/08/2024 21:20

Legitimate concerns is it?

To think there's got to be at least a couple of MNers involved in the rioting ?
stronglatte · 06/08/2024 21:22

@Hatfullofwillow oh my goodness that's awful! I'm so sorry she's been caught up in this madness

Hatfullofwillow · 06/08/2024 22:16

stronglatte · 06/08/2024 21:22

@Hatfullofwillow oh my goodness that's awful! I'm so sorry she's been caught up in this madness

No relation to me, but it's in my current city. There are plenty of people who have pledged to defend places around the city, so we'll see.

ATenShun · 06/08/2024 22:55

Hatfullofwillow · 06/08/2024 21:20

Legitimate concerns is it?

Let me start by saying attacking anybody is wrong. But just a quick google has just enlightened me to how many immigration lawyers and advisors we have. A massive industry has been made out of the situation.

Now lets be brutally honest here. Who is paying for their services, Why are they needed, Are they part of the reason getting asylum decisions and returning non legitimate immigrants to their home Countries is so slow.

Are there appeal after appeal on return decisions. Are the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers paying these legal fees? Do they if unsuccesful & after exhausting all avenues pay back the cost of room and board while their case is heard.

We all know the answer to these questions, but some don't like the answer that it is the British taxpayer.

PerfectYear321 · 06/08/2024 23:10

Hatfullofwillow · 06/08/2024 21:20

Legitimate concerns is it?

Omg, I just checked on Google maps and the Nottingham one really is somebody's house!

Stripedchutney · 06/08/2024 23:29

kαλοκαλοκαιρι · 05/08/2024 22:26

Well you’d be quite wrong :)
it’s perfectly legal to enter a country by irregular means for the purpose of seeking asylum.

which is just as well cos it’s not currently possible to make an asylum claim from outside the country either

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Indeed. I only found this out recently. So if you want to seek sanctuary here, you have to be here. I was a bit gobsmacked. It seems quite simple to me now. To stop people making the dangerous boat crossing, create a means to seek sanctuary from outside the UK.

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