To think there's got to be at least a couple of MNers involved in the rioting ?

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Based in the broad views seen here, I can't believe that there isn't someone who is involved either passively or actively.
If you are one of those, would you like to explain why?

Blimey. Glad to hear that you're safely out.

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The riots seem to consist of differing groups of people with different agendas:
Mainly non local, bussed in thugs, who are the actual far right and are the ones doing most of the fire setting and violence,
Some fairly ordinary protestors, of varying political hues, who are worried about immigration, changing demographics and culture, infrastructure, etc, (including one woman, an excerpt of whose speech in Hull was online and didn't seem too rabid, ie might have been a Mumsnetter)
And then there are the local thieves and low level vandals, who are happily breaking shop windows and carrying off whatever they can.

It reminds me of the way that minority, extreme political party members would jump on the bandwagon at things like anti nuclear protests, hogging the front of the marches, along with the publicity getting themselves arrested and hijacking the peaceful protests and getting them a bad name.

The people rioting are a tiny percentage of an area. I live in Hartlepool, there's around 92K people living here, it looked like around 50 people (mostly teenage kids) were rioting last week.

The percentage of people participating in the riots of any area is tiny so it's quite unlikely.

I'm so glad you got out @Sharontheodopolodous. I hope more women do the same as you this week.

But then you read comments that the problems is male violence and the ones committing crimes are men. Only to support large numbers of them without knowing who they are coming here everyday. Because they have to leave their families behind. The same people I see the same posters with this exact comments. You can’t make it up.

Not me. I'm in California.

Lucky you! My dream.

This is actually possible. I went to see comments in newspapers and they were way more balanced.

Amazing and heartening to see Stand Up to Racism in Plymouth . Great to see decent and kind people taking to the streets to peacefully protest

What do you make of their signs?

Open the borders, no deportations?

What do you make of their signs?

Unrealistic.

I accept your point on travel to the UK. However as Pakistan is considered a safe Country, wouldn't it be a better choice for all the family, rather than a death defying transport by people smugglers?

I suspect if you spoke to the people manning those signs and asked them to take an illegal immigrant into their spare bedroom until his asylum application is reviewed, you would get a resounding answer of no.

You'd be stuck in a tent in a refugee camp in Pakistan. Those paying people smugglers want to get to the West.

Why? Why is the West and in particular the UK the destination of choice? There has to be any number of safe Countries more in line with their beliefs and lifestyles.

I would have thought that was obvious. Better opportunities and better style of living. When you pay a smuggler you don't always get a choice where you go but those coming to the UK either speak English, have a family connection or just want to come to Britain as they've heard it's a great place to live.

Because we don't have ID it's easier to get lost in the black job market as well.

There are two reasons.

1. People have friends or family already here. It is much easier to settle in a foreign country if you have someone you are close to who will help you.
2. They have heard it is far easier to work illegally in the UK, which it is. Enforcement of laws around this are very lax and have been for years and we have no national identity card.
3. They have heard from traffickers and others that the UK is a good place to settle. The recent violence might have changed that view.

They're not illegal immigrants if they're seeking asylum.

Plenty of women looting as well as throwing objects at the police.

Which brings us back to the initial issues that are seen by those speaking out against uncontrolled immigration. Not just idiots chanting or throwing bricks about.

We have an appalling housing stock for a great number of social tenants, We have issues accessing medical and dental help, these men may be young and healthy now, but will get older, have medical issues and add further strain.

We do have a major clash of of cultures in towns with large amounts of asylum seekers. I have witnessed & spoken directly to young women being hassled or made uncomfortable by their behaviour.

Entering the job black market would that not be another reason that resident brits would be against their arrival?

These are not unreasonable concerns, but they have not been heard or addressed. Often people have not spoken out or been branded racist for doing so. Having a Nationalistic point of view and wanting to put the needs of the British population (of all colours) first should not be seen as racist.

And the vast majority of people do go to much closer countries.

They are most definately illegal immigrants when they arrive. Get smuggled into a country with no documents illegally. What would you call it?

Seeking asylum.

No interest in rioting until I saw that you can get free greggs..... got my balaclava ready for tomorrow. Just hope there is some sausage rolls left.