To be glad that #IStandWithAngelaCarini is trending no.1 in the UK on X (Twitter)

[AngeloMysterioso]

Angela Carini is the incredibly brave Italian boxer who had her Olympic dream shattered in less than a minute after being punched in the face by Imane Khelif, a male competitor who was disqualified from the women’s World Championships last year because his testosterone levels were too high.
Everyone should be saying her name. Over and over and over again.

Earlier in the thread some posters mentioned planned protests in Paris against him competing. Has there been any further updates on these?

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The IOC need to re introduce genetic testing for ALL sports including athletics. End off.

It's beyond logic they dropped it in favour of testosterone levels which is open to arguments.
Go back to black n white, x n y

I pray the women get out of this farce safely. Remember their are more rounds to go.

The only thing that has been stated has been that these male people are male and have a physical advantage over female athletes as stated by the IBA.

You can choose to use whatever language you wish. I am very familiar with the discussions around differences of sex development. While there has been plenty of discussion around the likelihood that this particular male athlete has a DSD, this has not been officially stated by any authority.

So, please use whatever language you wish to. Other people are free to make that choice. And it is a philosophical belief to use the pronouns and the language that don't reflect a person's sex when having a discussion such as this where that language clarity is important.

Maybe weight categories could be adjusted for "trans women" to account for underlying genetic factors.

I have empathy for her too!
the human brain is amazing, it can hold simultaneous different thoughts....
ive already said i dont think she should be competing, it doesnt mean im on board with being cruel , referring to someone as "a male with a vag" and denying empathy for what is undoubtedly a horrible situation for all involved.

I suggest you actually do some reading. Or is this post also too long.

There needs to be an open category for intersex, trans and everything inbetween. It’s absolutely sick and unfair and the bit that just takes the piss it’s only affecting women.

Don't be rude.

@Helleofabore has posted factual links throughout this thread and the other 1,000 post thread regarding this topic. You asked for factual links so I respectfully suggest you go read their extremely informative posts.

Edited because its late 🙄

I suggest you do some too… but on anger management. You’re aggressive for on here for being nothing. We’re in agreement about male on female competitive advantage. Don’t expect me to read through a vitriolic chapter of opinions and feel enriched by it.

Tandora · Yesterday 23:55

just because people with xx chromosomes can’t have CAIS and are female, it doesn’t logically follow that females can’t have CAIS. You need to take some philosophy lessons as well as biology.

Wow. I'm not quite sure where to start pulling such a bet-hedging, contradictory pile of puddle of mince on toast apart.

You concede that women have XX chromosomes and can't have CAIS, then clam that they can have CAIS. Orwell would have included that in 1984, had men in women's sports been a thing in the 1940s.

Simone Biles is in awe of your mental gymnastics!

Definitely either compete in the category of their birth sex or corresponding chromosomes OR lobby for an open category. They need to stay the hell out of female sports.
The only beacon of light is that this has woken the world up along with the Queering Cermony which consisted mainly of transvestites. This has been an own goal for the IOC & the left who have been shoving this agenda.

Tried it with an open swimming event for trans identified people. No one entered. Literally no one.

Open swimming category cancelled | Mumsnet

They want to compete against women/females. They don't want to compete against other men/males.

I wonder why? 🤔(sarcasm)

So predictable. That lot always resort to aggression when "no debate" isn't entertained.

@PurpleSparkledPixie It was good advice tho

Why complicate it? Male and female sex categories. Problems solved. Males who say they’re trans aren’t owed anything. They can compete perfectly well in their own sex category.

The sheer desperation of people determined to defend a man punching a woman astounds me. Why? What is to gain by wanting this to happen? Who benefits apart from men?

Thatcat · Today 01:43

Aggressive, my left buttock! You've said that you won't read Helleofabore's posts and links, because you seem to have set beliefs and don't want to have them challenged. The evidence is there for you to absorb, if you wish.

Obviously they don't get the feeling of male supremacy, they can swim in their own birth sex category if they don't like it..

@SinnerBoy quote my ‘beliefs’ for me then.

I said I was open to reading evidence of what the committee said. Not someone wanted to have an argument on the internet. I’m not into that. There was no link. I’m not defending anyone or thing. I wanted to know what criteria the assessed. It’s still not clear even in the IBA stuff quoted in here.

Either way. It’s a sad situation for competitors - eligibility should have been more defined. If there had been doubts about Khelif’s sex, they should have been cleared up by the Olympic committee before competition.

Anger management? And aggression?

Can I suggest you look up hypocrisy too then?

Yeah if you want.

I wanted to know what criteria the assessed. It’s still not clear even in the IBA stuff quoted.

subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential.

I get it but you probably won't ever know since it is confidential. But the rest of their report was illuminating.

Exactly! Maybe I'm cynical but I find it hard to believe as a girl in Islamic culture they were collecting scrap metal to afford a bus fare and travelling (alone?) to an adjacent rural village to undergo clandestine boxing training. It just doesn't add up.

How old were they meant to be when this happened? It sort of implies they were quite young yet their parents disapproved along with their religious and cultural community and would've undoubtedly put a stop to it. No mention of this brave individual who decided to break cultural and religious norms and put their neck on the line to train them (no need to name them but you'd think they'd merit a mention for being instrumental in leading this person into the sport against all odds). If they were prepubescent at this point in the story I very much doubt it happened - nobody is going to train a young girl, they'd have been laughed out of the gym. It all sounds vaguely Billy Elliot but they don't seem to consider any of it a major obstacle to their success.

If this allegedly occurred when they'd gone through puberty it would have been more than apparent they weren't your standard female. I also can't imagine they were trailing around collecting scrap metal as an older female teen, it doesn't seem very ladylike in a conservative rural culture. Just how much scrap metal was there in this small rural village anyway 😁 You'd think the men and boys would've seen to it very quickly if it had value.

I'd find it slightly more believable if all of this took place in a larger town or city (more diverse, greater opportunities, easier to slip away and go incognito). Or if the individual had described having to relocate abroad due to discrimination and the greater availability of coaches/funding/facilities.

Sorry to hone in, I'm trying to understand the timeline but most of it is missing 🤷‍♀️
Their story should be compelling (especially as a UNICEF ambassador) but it's surprisingly light on detail.

This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.

Athletes that don't meet the 'required eligibility criteria' for the IBA's female category is quite simple. They state in their regulations, and no I am not going to post a link, Thatcat, you can look this up yourself, that female competitors are those who are XX.

These competitors have also been found to have competitive advantage. The only way for that to be true is if those male athletes have gone through puberty.

I believe this statement that I have posted has also shown that the IBA certainly also had in mind to make allowances for boxers who were male but with CAIS. Hence they have used two claims here to explain the exclusion of these male athletes.

In fact, the IBA have now reaffirmed their position.

https://www.iba.sport/news/iba-reaffirms-the-position-and-removal-of-boxers-from-all-events/